Thread: Bleach: Chapter 409

I respect you Flash but i respect you so much that im not gonna accept your explanation due to the fact that I think you're more intelligent than Kube and he's not that smart to use that as the explanation, lol. Its a good 1 though... I just find it too convenient for Kube. As Yaz said, its borderline "A level beyond Bankai" in my book.

Originally Posted by krazykwasi

I respect you Flash but i respect you so much that im not gonna accept your explanation due to the fact that I think you're more intelligent than Kube and he's not that smart to use that as the explanation, lol. Its a good 1 though... I just find it too convenient for Kube. As Yaz said, its borderline "A level beyond Bankai" in my book.

I dont see it as a "level beyond Bankai". From what I understood from ep 408 was that this was an "Ichigo specific" training that ony he could do because of the way he achived Bankai. To master Bankai you need to learn to materialize your zanpaktou which takes thousands of years and Ihigo cheated with Uraharas device. The reason a Shinigami can materialize their zanpaktou is because of the afinity and synergy they build by talking with their zanpaktou for those thousands of years. Issin himself said it simply>http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/408/09/ >http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/408/10/ "Ichigo needs to make up for those thousands of years". So it's not that a new power-up was created-Ichigo simply needs to fix a flaw he already has and in doing so his "potential" will make him become much stronger. So in reality there is no "level beyond bankai" buisness going on here. This is something only Ichigo can do.

From what I gathered this is what any Shinigami can do when they actually master their Zanpakuto.

I'm guessing characters Like Yama-jii, Aizen, Gin and Isshin may have accomplished things like this.

Isshin I'm not so sure of. He obviously knows about it. I don't think he did or he would have been a better match against Aizen. Aizen was scared of Yama when he had the hygyoku inside him already. Therefore I don't actually think Isshin has mastered this.

You need a certain calibre that people like the three above and Ichigo possess.

Originally Posted by Yazen

Isshin I'm not so sure of. He obviously knows about it. I don't think he did or he would have been a better match against Aizen. Aizen was scared of Yama when he had the hygyoku inside him already. Therefore I don't actually think Isshin has mastered this.

So your saying this is like the 4th creating the rasengan but not being able to perfect it but his special son does... just in Bleach terms? Whats the point of Isshin teaching his son something that he hasn't mastered himself. Isshin seems to have the same Zanpak as his son so seeing as how me mentioned Tensa Zangetsu, is about to teach it, and knows about it's behavior leaves me to believe that Isshin himself has already master it (may not have done it the same way Ichigo is doing it but he has it either way).

Why didn't he use it against Aizen?? Probably because its so powerful it might hurt others?? Who knows, we're threading in deep Deus ex machina waters here and it seems that most of the explanations come from posters in these threads rather than the author himself.

So what do we expect Tensa Zangetsu to be?? Another bigger, more destructive, version of Getsuga Tensho?? lol.

I think some of you guys are getting Tensa Zangetsu and Getsuga Tensho mixed up, Tensa Zangetsu is the name of his Bankai and Getsuga Tensho is the move he uses, Ichigo is learning how to get the final Getsuga Tensho most probably the Bankai version.

Bleach 409: Deicide 11

One nice ass chapter Tensa Zangetsu aint fu*king around, and as I said the spirit changes with Bankai.

Hahaha, the chapter was better at straightening thing out than the spoiler, as usual. Young boy (instead of saying old man, get it?? lol) really doesn't look like a man child of Byakuya and Aizen, with a hint of Ulquiorra.

Its official. Kube should stop writing manga and start focusing on his Fashion design. That man has some style and would make some baddass clothes.

Originally Posted by reaperzeero

I dont see it as a "level beyond Bankai". From what I understood from ep 408 was that this was an "Ichigo specific" training that ony he could do because of the way he achived Bankai. To master Bankai you need to learn to materialize your zanpaktou which takes thousands of years and Ihigo cheated with Uraharas device. The reason a Shinigami can materialize their zanpaktou is because of the afinity and synergy they build by talking with their zanpaktou for those thousands of years. Issin himself said it simply>http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/408/09/ >http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/408/10/ "Ichigo needs to make up for those thousands of years". So it's not that a new power-up was created-Ichigo simply needs to fix a flaw he already has and in doing so his "potential" will make him become much stronger. So in reality there is no "level beyond bankai" buisness going on here. This is something only Ichigo can do.

Could have said it better myself, as Isshin said everything Ichigo has learned so far has been forced.

I really think all this is, is his Bankai version everyone so far has a new move while in Bankai they dont even use there shikai abilities in Bankai, this is were I think Ichigo problem lies he uses Getsuga Tensho in both Shikai & Bankai.

Best chapter in a while. Aizen walks by and peoples heads explode, Tensa Zangetsu looks epically badass and Ichigo learns to swim.

Originally Posted by black flash

This form does make a lot of sense, I think it works like this:

Shikai (Huge uncontrollable raw power) = Old man Zangetsu
Bankai (Compressed raw power) = Tesa Zangetsu - with all his power compressed in a much younger body.

The Zanpakuto transforms so why wouldn't the spirit.

It seems that you hit the nail on the head with this one. Excellent insight.

It was a very good chapter BTW and I wanna see what Aizen will do with Ichigo's friends.

Nice to know that Aizen wasn't actually trying to kill everyone, just that he's so pimp they die from it.