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    Quote Originally Posted by Cueny View Post
    Yamamoto - there is no prove that WW power can even control Yamamoto's bankai, everything has its limit. WW power doesn't cancel Yamamoto's ability but he take it inside his body, I doubt he can take it 5 to 10 times of Yamamoto's shikai. Yea, A Bankai doesn't increase your physical strength or stamina, but it increase your overall performance by 5 to 10 times according to Yoruichi said. (I said 10 to 100 times, sorry)

    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/120/10/


    SoiFon - The most important thing is not how your ability works but how you use it. She doesn't need to go to the front line and got beat by Aizen's riastu like that. The best choice for her is to do the most damage to Aizen. Did you think that she can use her shikai againts Aizen who already knew her ability, NO.

    Sajin - Yea, he is weak. But at least he did his best. No excuse for not being show your opponent your power. It's just he's no match for Aizen.

    Shunsui - There is no prove about how Shunsui's bankai works. Just Ukitake said "you can't use it in a place like this." also if his ability is a trouble to an allies in the area, why isn't he fighting Aizen one-on-one? There is no point to drag SoiFon and Hitsugaya who are exhausted to make a combos. And he did that by HOPING it will works, he doesn't even know that it's a real Aizen or not. Of cause he bet SoiFon and Hitsugaya life with this even his own life too, to keep his bankai in secret. See the result.

    Hitsugaya - Yea, Aizen's ability is so hax. it can't help that he lost, at least he did his best.


    I didn't offense that the captains may lost even after they use their bankai. But in the situation like this some of them didn't even try to use it. This make no sense. Even unwritten rule of manga told you to NEVER show your trump card first. But it often use when you and your opponent are in the same level. In this case it's not about the rule, it's a stupid thing to do.

    I can't come up why didn't Issin use a bankai attack Aizen in the face instead. That's a rare chance. He want to defeat Aizen isn't it. Or he's just playing a sword with Aizen by betting the world with it.

    Also like many others said why didn't Aizen kill all those three stupid.
    WW was made to seal Ryuujin Jakka, meaning even if he went Bankai the zanpakuto would be sealed and all flames that were already out would be extinguish, we have yet to see someone go Bankai without going shikai so as soon as he released his zanpakuto it would have been sealed away.

    You might aswel write SoiFon out of the battle, as I said she couldn't use it because she was exhausted and if that's how you see it with her shikai then she might aswell watch.

    I never said there was any proof to how Shunsui Bankai works I said "IF". Taking on Aizen by himself would be more stupid then taking him on with a team of captains in Shikai and Bankai, and as you said he doesn't even know if it's the real Aizen or not..which it wasn't so what would have happened if he went Bankai.

    As long as Aizen has the hougyoku within his body he is gonna be safe from pretty much any attack why do you think Ura, Yoru and Issh were trying to to take it out of him at every point, Bankai with hougyoku still in him is useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    As long as Aizen has the hougyoku within his body he is gonna be safe from pretty much any attack why do you think Ura, Yoru and Issh were trying to to take it out of him at every point, Bankai with hougyoku still in him is useless.
    Hougyoku itself has its limit. The prove is it has been seal before. Also Aizen has his limit too. So it's no prove that 3 bankais can't overtake 1 bankai and 1 Hougyoku. Urahara, Yoruichi and Isshin going bankai definite not a useless move. But didn't even try to win make them really useless. See what they do to the story, nothing at all.


    OK, black flash. We see things from a difference point of view.

    I don't think NOT going bankai is the best way for the captains(include Vizerd Gang, three masters) to accomplish their duty.

    The result, they are all failed. What now? Being stick with not going all out for every reasons you could think of. Now, who will stop Aizen? And what is the reason behind the waste of time for fighting Aizen? What is the reason for this battle in the first place? If all the characters didn't plan to use everything to defeat Aizen or they know they can't. Like someone said, If you can't win you either go all out or run away, they didn't run away but didn't go all out either. Deserve them right!

    Aizen even got stronger than before. Ha ha ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cueny View Post
    Hougyoku itself has its limit. The prove is it has been seal before. Also Aizen has his limit too. So it's no prove that 3 bankais can't overtake 1 bankai and 1 Hougyoku. Urahara, Yoruichi and Isshin going bankai definite not a useless move. But didn't even try to win make them really useless. See what they do to the story, nothing at all.


    OK, black flash. We see things from a difference point of view.

    I don't think NOT going bankai is the best way for the captains(include Vizerd Gang, three masters) to accomplish their duty.

    The result, they are all failed. What now? Being stick with not going all out for every reasons you could think of. Now, who will stop Aizen? And what is the reason behind the waste of time for fighting Aizen? What is the reason for this battle in the first place? If all the characters didn't plan to use everything to defeat Aizen or they know they can't. Like someone said, If you can't win you either go all out or run away, they didn't run away but didn't go all out either. Deserve them right!

    Aizen even got stronger than before. Ha ha ha.
    The Hougyoku has never been sealed while in someones body, it's been sealed and then put into a body (Rukia) but never the other way around and so far the only person to seal it was Urahara and he couldn't even destroy it himself that was the reason for him sealing it. So as I said as long as Aizen has the Hougyoku in his body he's safe.

    Aizen just raped the Gotei 13 and the Vizards without using his Bankai, as much as I like Ura, Yoru and Issh they all have seen Aizen Shikai and for that reason they cant win. Aizen only took out his zanpakuto and all of them were laid out, Isshin didn't even know what happened

    This so called waste of time your talking about was to protect KT, the captains in HM mission was to get Ichigo and co back and as pretty much all the characters understand they wasn't the ones who where gonna take on Aizen, Ichigo was and thats because he has not seen Aizen Shikai.

    If every character went Bankai they would be in the same place they are now, because of Aizen hax of a zanpakuto Kyouka Suigetsu, his 2x captain level reiatsu, his peak of shinigami powers and the Hougyoku also he's new power up and many more to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    The Hougyoku has never been sealed while in someones body, it's been sealed and then put into a body (Rukia) but never the other way around and so far the only person to seal it was Urahara and he couldn't even destroy it himself that was the reason for him sealing it. So as I said as long as Aizen has the Hougyoku in his body he's safe.
    - I didn't mention anything about Hougyoku in someone body. I'm talking about the power of itself. If Hougyoku has an unlimited power which can use to support Aizen then it can't be seal in the first place. Something that has an unlimited power can't be seal cause no seal can bear its power. And if Hougyoku has an unlimited power, this manga has ended by itself, cause Aizen will also has an unlimited power to use which provide him to be immortal.

    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    Aizen just raped the Gotei 13 and the Vizards without using his Bankai, as much as I like Ura, Yoru and Issh they all have seen Aizen Shikai and for that reason they cant win. Aizen only took out his zanpakuto and all of them were laid out, Isshin didn't even know what happened
    - We are talking about Aizen in his confidence mode right? According to the fact in the story, Aizen didn't use his shikai against those three even once. I always talking about CHANCE. Why the three of them didn't use this chance to go all out, especially Isshin.

    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    This so called waste of time your talking about was to protect KT, the captains in HM mission was to get Ichigo and co back and as pretty much all the characters understand they wasn't the ones who where gonna take on Aizen, Ichigo was and thats because he has not seen Aizen Shikai.
    - For Ichigo to see Aizen shikai, is it hard or not? No, it isn't. I am waiting an explanation directly from KT.(if he has one) There is one thing for sure, the captains try to create an opening for Ichigo to land a first hit to Aizen. But strange, not all of them trying his/her best to do so. Even the three who didn't intend to create an opening for Ichigo still didn't do their best. Their combos so far was just a fancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    If every character went Bankai they would be in the same place they are now, because of Aizen hax of a zanpakuto Kyouka Suigetsu, his 2x captain level reiatsu, his peak of shinigami powers and the Hougyoku also he's new power up and many more to follow.
    - So why did they fight Aizen in the first place? Just to show off? The problem is Aizen hax so much. This will make no sense when he loose. But it's too ugly not to tried something that it might works or to go all out to the opponent you think you can't win. It sound like a coward.
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    All of this talk from Aizen towards Ichigo makes me think that Aizen had something to do with Ichigo's birth. Aizen could possibly be related to Masaki or Isshin's brother. It would not be weird from Aizen and Isshin to be related. Speaking in manga character styles they look similar. hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cueny View Post
    - I didn't mention anything about Hougyoku in someone body. I'm talking about the power of itself. If Hougyoku has an unlimited power which can use to support Aizen then it can't be seal in the first place. Something that has an unlimited power can't be seal cause no seal can bear its power. And if Hougyoku has an unlimited power, this manga has ended by itself, cause Aizen will also has an unlimited power to use which provide him to be immortal.



    - We are talking about Aizen in his confidence mode right? According to the fact in the story, Aizen didn't use his shikai against those three even once. I always talking about CHANCE. Why the three of them didn't use this chance to go all out, especially Isshin.



    - For Ichigo to see Aizen shikai, is it hard or not? No, it isn't. I am waiting an explanation directly from KT.(if he has one) There is one thing for sure, the captains try to create an opening for Ichigo to land a first hit to Aizen. But strange, not all of them trying his/her best to do so. Even the three who didn't intend to create an opening for Ichigo still didn't do their best. Their combos so far was just a fancy.



    - So why did they fight Aizen in the first place? Just to show off? The problem is Aizen hax so much. This will make no sense when he loose. But it's too ugly not to tried something that it might works or to go all out to the opponent you think you can't win. It sound like a coward.
    The only limit the Hougyoku has is that it needs someone around it with some sort of desire/wish.

    As many have said including myself the way Ichigo will beat Aizen is with his hollow side, from day one he's been told that it's about instinct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
    All of this talk from Aizen towards Ichigo makes me think that Aizen had something to do with Ichigo's birth. Aizen could possibly be related to Masaki or Isshin's brother. It would not be weird from Aizen and Isshin to be related. Speaking in manga character styles they look similar. hahaha
    Many people have said that Aizen could be related to Ichigo in some way, Isshin and Aizen zanpakuto hilts are very similar.

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    These "why" debates are nearly as gay as the chapters have been...

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    Debates are what make forums more interesting, 2 or more people making there point about a subject is what makes people come back again and again, without them it would be the samething every week, and half the time the debates are better then the actual chapter.

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    I can't promise anythinng, but a year ago, i re-read bleach and the annoying chapter from hueco mundo were easier to bare than when I read the weekly. I am not saying it will make Bleach better, but maybe it's the constant shitty chapter we get weekly that we are more sensitive to the dissapointment.

    Kubo doesn't want to give characters trump cards away because apparently he wants to extend the "story" and keep us waiting for the cool stuff to happen. Rant over, I apologize for this.

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    I think if Kubo make the story be more realistic, even if it's no more characters trump cards the story itself would be interesting.

    We all know Byakuya's bankai still we never bore when he use it. He use it in the situation that he must to in order to achieve his goal.

    The problem is Kubo doesn't think about some characters bankai yet.

 

 
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