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    That's one of the more obvious points of Kubo's shit. Putting anyone in their shoes, if you're fighting a losing battle, you can either run away or go all out. Clearly no one ran away but they sure as fuck didn't go all out. What kind of ridiculous thought is going through the characters' heads as this is happening?

    "Oh we're losing but I'm NOT going to do my best because I'm going to conserve all this power that allows me to be at least 10x stronger than I am right now and- Oh wait I'm dead now. OOPS."

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    A Bankai doesn't (unless it's an ability) increase your physical strength or stamina, so that whole thing about a Bankai increasing your power 10x even 100x should really be taken with a grain of salt.

    The Captains all fell even when they had a solid plan to attack Aizen yet there downfall was that they've all seen his shikai, them going Bankai would have been the most stupid thing they could have done..why....because they have know idea if there fighting the real Aizen or not (which they wasn't) meaning they would have all showed there trump card, revealing all there abilities to Aizen for him to just take them out later.

    The Old man had to get a blade to the gut just to sense Aizen reiatsu do you expect all the Captains to do the same and go Bankai just to hurt him.

    Urahara Bankai might be like Shunsui zanpakuto, it could be a double edge sword that might not only hurt him but it could put people around him in danger.

    Also they were never fighting Aizen to kill him but to give Ichigo a opening it just so happened they thought they got a chance to take him out there self, plus if everyone went Bankai there would be no reason to read Bleach anymore.

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    ^ Kube likes that last part. He's smart in that way.

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    That really is about the jist of it. Bankai are really big combersome and generaly highly destructive. Soifon's is a missle. Gin for sake of example could accidently hack through every ally within miles. Tousen would put everyone enemy and ally in darkness. mayuri would poison everyone around him and so on.
    As far as the 3 being beaten like this. The only plausable explanation i can find. Is that cocoon absorbed attacks and when it was broken unleashed all that power in an explosion in the same manner as killing WW unleashed the flames of ryuujin jakka in a big explosion. If not then i just don't know and not sure if i care.

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    The thing with the bankai, also, is that you never want to show yours before the other guy. Sure, Urahara, Isshin and Yoruichi (and Shunsui and Shinji as well) could have all gone bankai and put Aizen in a spot but they know Aizen has his plus he's in god mode. I believe Aizen knew that the elite captains and vizards would pretty much not show their bankais and try as hard as possible to take him down without them, and he used that to his advantage.

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    ^which means, they still fail. aizen is basically going to destroy both worlds, and they aren't thinking of going all out? geez...........even if urahara, isshin, and yoruichi get up, they wount be a match for aizen anymore. meaning they wont be in direct combat anymore.... -__-

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    All the theories about NOT going bankai seem stupid to me. Because all of the captains knew that they can't beat Aizen(Zampakuto) even before they fight.

    I can't see the point for hiding your abilities if you can't beat your opponent. You must be the first one to throw your trump card and going all out to find out it's work or not. We are talking about if you want some chance of winning or you want to success in something.

    It was clear that doing shikai can't create an opening for Ichigo after all, unless you sacrifice yourself to a 90s forbidden kidou and you might die from that. And of cause, all of this is just for the sake of Ichigo lands his first hit to Aizen. Seem stupid right?

    Remember that all this captains set up is just to give advantage to Ichigo NOT to have him beat Aizen in one hit. And they all knew Aizen's power well. They can't expect Ichigo to kill Aizen from a small opening, am I right?

    NOT going bankai cause their success rate down also make their plan failed, this is for sure. You all see the result for not going all out as well. Between "duty" and "the reason for didn't do your best", what is more important? I think Iba already answer this question before. The captains failed to accomplished their duty and Aizen got what he want. It's the bad writing after all and this cause a characters to be really stupid.


    Let's see how it works. Issin make Aizen at his limit >>> Aizen powered up, Issin still doing stupid shikai >>> Issin got a chance to f**king Aizen in the face but STUPID SHIKAI again >>> the three of them fail, all the effort they did so far gone waste, the world might got destroy as well.

    It makes no sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cueny View Post
    All the theories about NOT going bankai seem stupid to me. Because all the captains knew that they can't beat Aizen(Zampakuto).

    I can't see the point for hiding your abilities if you can't beat you opponent. You must be the first one to throw your trump card and going all out, if you want some chance of winning or just to create an opening for Ichigo. It was confirm that doing shikai can't create an opening for Ichigo at all, unless you sacrifice yourself to a 90s kidou and might die. And all of this is just for the sake of Ichigo's first hit. Seem stupid right?

    Remember that all this captains set up is just to give advantage to Ichigo NOT to have him beat Aizen in one hit. And they all knew Aizen's power well.

    NOT going bankai cause their success rate down, this is for sure. It no need to talking about the captains objective. You all see the result for not going all out.


    Issin make Aizen at his limit >>> Aizen power up, Issin still doing stupid shikai >>> Issin got a chance to f**k Aizen in the face but STUPID SHIKAI again >>> the three of them fail, all the effort they did so far gone waste, the world might got destroy as well.

    It makes no sense at all.
    Unwritten rule of manga NEVER show your trump card first...why....because you'll lose.

    The best way to look at it is like this.

    Yamamoto - Shikai was more powerful then any Bankai we've seen so far, but WW power would take out the flames even if he went Bankai.

    SoiFon - Bankai would have taken out everyone close to Aizen, she was also exhausted from going Bankai and even if she could her Bankai leaves her wide open for attack, Shikai was the best for her.

    Sajin - Was already in Bankai look what happened to him.

    Shunsui - If his Bankai is anything like his Shikai then he would have dragged everyone else into his game hence the reason he didn't use Iro Oni.

    Hitsugaya - Already in Bankai stop SoiFon from getting hit made an opening for Shunsui and landed the death blow and yet it didn't turn out to be him.

    I'll say the samething I said back when it happened, the only people who fu#ked up are the Vizard captains Shinji, Rose and Love not only did they not go Bankai but they didn't even use there mask.

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    ^Yeah, the Vaizards were really a huge fuckin disappointment...hope they´ll make a comeback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    Unwritten rule of manga NEVER show your trump card first...why....because you'll lose.

    The best way to look at it is like this.

    Yamamoto - Shikai was more powerful then any Bankai we've seen so far, but WW power would take out the flames even if he went Bankai.

    SoiFon - Bankai would have taken out everyone close to Aizen, she was also exhausted from going Bankai and even if she could her Bankai leaves her wide open for attack, Shikai was the best for her.

    Sajin - Was already in Bankai look what happened to him.

    Shunsui - If his Bankai is anything like his Shikai then he would have draged everyone else into his game hence the reason he didn't use Iro Oni.

    Hitsugaya - Already in Bankai stop SoiFon from getting hit made an opening for Shunsui and landed the death blow and yet it didn't turn out to be him.

    I'll say the samething I said back when it happened, the only people who fu#ked up are the Vizard captains Shiniji, Rose and Love not only did they not go Bankai but they didn't even use there mask.
    Yamamoto - there is no prove that WW power can even control Yamamoto's bankai, everything has its limit. WW power doesn't cancel Yamamoto's ability but he take it inside his body, I doubt he can take it 5 to 10 times of Yamamoto's shikai. Yea, A Bankai doesn't increase your physical strength or stamina, but it increase your overall performance by 5 to 10 times according to Yoruichi said. (I said 10 to 100 times, sorry)

    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/120/10/


    SoiFon - The most important thing is not how your ability works but how you use it. She doesn't need to go to the front line and got beat by Aizen's riastu like that. The best choice for her is to do the most damage to Aizen. Did you think that she can use her shikai againts Aizen who already knew her ability, NO.

    Sajin - Yea, he is weak. But at least he did his best. No excuse for not being show your opponent your power. It's just he's no match for Aizen.

    Shunsui - There is no prove about how Shunsui's bankai works. Just Ukitake said "you can't use it in a place like this." also if his ability is a trouble to an allies in the area, why isn't he fighting Aizen one-on-one? There is no point to drag SoiFon and Hitsugaya who are exhausted to make a combos. And he did that by HOPING it will works, he doesn't even know that it's a real Aizen or not. Of cause he bet SoiFon and Hitsugaya life with this even his own life too, to keep his bankai in secret. See the result.

    Hitsugaya - Yea, Aizen's ability is so hax. it can't help that he lost, at least he did his best.


    I didn't offense that the captains may lost even after they use their bankai. But in the situation like this some of them didn't even try to use it. This make no sense. Even unwritten rule of manga told you to NEVER show your trump card first. But it often use when you and your opponent are in the same level. In this case it's not about the rule, it's a stupid thing to do.

    I can't come up why didn't Issin use a bankai attack Aizen in the face instead. That's a rare chance. He want to defeat Aizen isn't it. Or he's just playing a sword with Aizen by betting the world with it.

    Also like many others said why didn't Aizen kill all those three stupid.
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