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    ^Well though it's true Ikkaku's shikai can spin, it doesn't mean its reach is further than Hisagi's. If I recall from previous chapters Hisagi's shikai could spin and slice pretty far because of its long chain, whereas Ikkaku's shikai can't actually extend that much longer after splitting into three sections.

    Was there mention of just two empty slots? I don't recall that, maybe someone else here knows? Though personally I don't think Renji is a captain yet - if he was I think somewhere down the line someone would have made a point to mention it, plus remember when Ichigo wanted to go into Hueco Mundo to chase Inoue, Byakuya and Kenpachi was sent to stop him. But he defied orders and went anyway, only for the other captains to arrive later. If he was a captain somehow I think he'd have been in on the plan. Besides, we haven't seen his haori yet...so we can't tell.

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    Hisagi has been slashed, stabbed, punched, kicked, squeezed (Allon) more then nearlly any Vic Captain and the dude still lives, he might not have a Bankai but with his endurance and will to live he should just be made Captain
    Flash, he lives because Kubo wants him alive.
    It's as simple as that. Kubo wants them all alive.

    You can't really say whether he's tougher than other VCs or not - because, since none of them have died, you don't know whether they would die with with same amount of "damage" inflicted to them.
    If Hisagi had some extraordinary endurance, Kubo would probably make some other character mention/notice it already.

    Also, going by your logic, Ichi's endurance must be godlike - he made it (and will make it) through the whole series, even though he's been fighting opponents who were 1000x stronger!!
    Isn't that incredible?

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    Renji mentions two empty slots somewhere in the Arrancar arc, its in the scans on onemanga and in the RAW for said chapter, not sure about the official english release as I'm still at the Soul Society arc for the tankoubon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldencalf View Post
    Flash, he lives because Kubo wants him alive.
    It's as simple as that. Kubo wants them all alive.

    You can't really say whether he's tougher than other VCs or not - because, since none of them have died, you don't know whether they would die with with same amount of "damage" inflicted to them.
    If Hisagi had some extraordinary endurance, Kubo would probably make some other character mention/notice it already.

    Also, going by your logic, Ichi's endurance must be godlike - he made it (and will make it) through the whole series, even though he's been fighting opponents who were 1000x stronger!!
    Isn't that incredible?
    Of course I can say he's tougher we don't need to see VC die just to rule out which one is tougher then the other, we've seen all but 3 fight and as I said two of which have Bankai yet Hisagi shows more skill then both.

    I never said anything about extraordinary endurance I just said endurance, it doesn't need to be extraordinary just because he has a little more.

    No it's not incredible he's the main character it's to be expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    Of course I can say he's tougher we don't need to see VC die just to rule out which one is tougher then the other, we've seen all but 3 fight and as I said two of which have Bankai yet Hisagi shows more skill then both.
    What 2 VC's have Bankai?? lol

    Yea even though Renji and Ikkaku have Bankai they thats prob all they have to be captain in terms of requirements in my book. The only way Ikkaku is going to be captain anytime soon (and the only squad he could really be captain of is the 11th squad imo) is if he kills Kenpachi or he dies somehow which isn't going to happen now and the sad part is Ikkaku is stronger and more experienced than Renji so thats not gonna be good for our monkey friend. In other words even though they have Bankai they still dont have the right leadership materials in my book. In the next 50-100 years or so they will. Hisagi on the other hand has the attitude and maturity level of one, the same could be said for Kira (just he needs alot more confidence in himself). I'd pick Kira and Hisagi for captain over Renji and Ikkaku anyday. Ever since they both lost their captains they've been picking up the slack and pretty much ARE captains already.

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    ^I agree. Even though we've seen Renji and his bankai quite a bit, he never struck me as being particularly skilful. His style is still too brash and it reflects on his personality. He wouldn't make a very good captain. Same with Ikkaku. The way he kept holding back his bankai and all...he's too much of an 11th Division person. Kenpachi is different. Kenpachi's actually a lot more strategic than he looks plus he keeps a pretty level head when faced with trouble. To me even Renji's more composed than Ikkaku.

    Hisagi on the other hand relatively calm and gives off this mature vibe. Plus he's more skilled and stylish with his shikai than Renji or Ikkaku. If he had bankai it'd be a done deal. Kira's pretty good too but I think Hisagi's better. Hinamori...is too mentally weak. Haha.

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    Didn't Byakuya send Renji and Rukia to HM? They needed a captain's help in order to get to HM, and couldn't get there on their own. That means that Renji isn't a captain.

    Also, I don't think Ikkaku is stronger than Renji. It might be better to say that in a fight between the two, I'd expect Renji to win. Ikkaku is just pure power, no strategy. Renji can use kidou, even if only to a limited ability. Also, Renji's shikai and bankai have both better range and more "abilities".

    As Nicholas stated, both Hisagi and Kira are probably better suited for command than those two. Frankly, I'd love to see both their bankai's. As well as Rukia's.

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    Why are we discussing power levels? We all know they have been messed up long time ago, it's just that there was not enough in this chapter for any decent discussion other than a dick-resembling white mask on a black man which some think looks cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pezzy View Post
    Didn't Byakuya send Renji and Rukia to HM? They needed a captain's help in order to get to HM, and couldn't get there on their own. That means that Renji isn't a captain.

    Also, I don't think Ikkaku is stronger than Renji. It might be better to say that in a fight between the two, I'd expect Renji to win. Ikkaku is just pure power, no strategy. Renji can use kidou, even if only to a limited ability. Also, Renji's shikai and bankai have both better range and more "abilities".

    As Nicholas stated, both Hisagi and Kira are probably better suited for command than those two. Frankly, I'd love to see both their bankai's. As well as Rukia's.
    I think Ikkaku is stronger than Renji for the simple fact he asked him to teach him how to fight basically. Ikkaku used his instincts when he sparred and trained Renji, his instincts are better than any strategy has been able to come up with. Renji doesn't have enough battle experience to overcome Ikkaku's instincts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JZBaltazar View Post
    Why are we discussing power levels? We all know they have been messed up long time ago, it's just that there was not enough in this chapter for any decent discussion other than a dick-resembling white mask on a black man which some think looks cool.
    This isn't really a matter of power levels, there are some characters who are consistent in their abilities (i.e. Renji, Ikkaku, etc.). And there really isn't a point in dropping the "Kubo doesn't make sense, power levels don't make sense, WTF!!!!" card all the time, as you said, we know, and repeating these things is unnecessary, its just a manga......

 

 
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