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    ^ I got two things wrong.. Kubo and flash is from DC comics.. hahaha

    I think BF is right... Experience has always been a huge factor battles... and Ichigo is a newbie compared to the rest of them all he does is use his instincts and his hot headedness prevents him from achieving control over his abilities
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    Who did you call MINIATURE SIZE??? - Edward Elric

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    Well, I understand that, but at the same time, what little info we're given on consistent states is constantly ignored.

    From the way I can see it, concrete power levels would go something like this:

    Basic Hollow < Soul Reaper (Pre Shikai) < Higher Powered hollow (Grand fisher, or something on that scale) < Shikai Soul Reaper < Seated Officers < Lieutenants < Lieutenants with bankai < Captains = Menos Grande (Gillian) < Menos (aduchas) < Arrancar (gillian) < Arrancar (aduchas) < Menos (vasto Lorde) < Arrancar (Vasto Lorde) < Gin/Kaname < Sosuke

    In terms of skills, as pointed out, it seems like experience determines victory over the raw power of a sword, bud it also goes the same kind of way

    Zanpakuto:

    Asauchi < Sealed Sword < Shikai < Mastered Shikai < Bankai < Mastered Bankai < Sosuke

    Kido:

    Eishohaki (skipped chant spell) < Chanted Kido < Experienced Eishohaki < Experienced Chanted Spell < Sosuke

    Now, not so much in terms of kido, but certainly we've seen a lot that, while explainable in story canon, is also completely illogical for the reason of being an automatic retcon to the way these things work. That was my point last time, I guess. Like, somehow the espada have gone from some nigh unbeatable team to what? Yammy is left?

    Only three went to the human world, and numerous arrancar, as well as 4 espada, have been taken out by a group considered small fries by pretty much everyone in and out of the storyline universe. I will openly admit i'm somewhat of a Bleach fanboy, but you can see where people are giving up and complaining, even before you comment on how far the storyline has devolved since the end of the SS arc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnino19 View Post
    apparently a bankai counts for nothing nowadays....i dont mind this that much since we havent seen ichigo in....wat 20 chapters?
    ichigo's mask is black according to kubos color drawings............the anime made it red.
    Correction, a bankai counts for nothing unless you are a Soul Society Captain, Isshin, Uruhara, Aizen, Gin or Tousen.
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    I got a question:
    Was Ichigo showing those kind of eyes because he didn't want Rukia and his other friends to see him release his power? because thats what it looked like to me.

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    http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/bleach/927/378/3
    is that yammy's crack lol what a horrible view.

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    Lol I know, the new mask looks good and so does the cover that's really about it this chapter nothing much.

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    yeah i thought it looked like a new mask.
    but why does this new mask make him any more stronger, its a mystery.
    kubo really needs to start explaining some of these new power ups.

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    Maybe it's to do with the black and white portions (well, we know it does), where before the black was encroaching on the white portion of the mask, like Ichigo's will was dominating it, but yet restricting it as well. Now for the new mask, it's mostly white, but over the eyes the black signifies control. so it's like her's embracing the hollow abilities, but staying in control.

    I'm just guessing, but it seems logical when you think that the eyes play a big part in things.

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    When The Hollow side gets stronger his mask changes with it, we saw his hollow show off his new form and mask now he is using the same mask it just had for a face. If we see the hollow side again and it has a new face/skull, the Ichigos mask will take that form the next time he puts it on.

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    The thing I want to know about is why all their eyes (Ichigo's and the vaizards') are now normal when they put on their masks, when before they were black and such.

    laziness?

 

 
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