Ichigo's Hollow transformation theory
So yeah... Sorry if this has been discussed before(most likely on the chapter thread), But i've gone five pages back, and haven't seen anything similar...
Today I've finished rereading Bleach(A 4 day long marathon, starting from chapter 1, since I couldn't remember where exactly I'd stopped reading), and During Ichigo's fight with Ulquiorra(Sorry if I killed his name >>) Ichigo became something that's above a Vizard...
I'd go as far as to say that he actually became a vasto lorde Arrancar, in a released state...
I was wondering about that, because Vizards can't seem to acquire anything other than their mask while in hollow form. Ichigo however, went as far as to get new legs and hands for the fight. His mask was also upgraded.
This happened right after Ulquiorra blew a hole in him. In a place where a hollow's hole would usually be...
Here's what I thinking:
Perhaps Ichigo's "condition" is sort of like Ulqiorra's second release(Which in turn, is similar to Bankai...)
So... What I'm thinking is that maybe that transformation is like a vaizard's ultimate technique? Maybe, if you cut a hole through a vaizard while in the masked state, then the vaizard would lose control to it's hollow self, while doing the last thought of the vaizard.
Then, the Vaizard can fight at level high above those of the adjuchas.
It could also be that one achieved, that state could be called upon at any time, and we'll see a repeat apperance of wichigo...
It could also be similar to Ururu's "Genocide mode"...
They certainly have the same charactaristics(So far, both are used to "protect" something, by killing everything that get's in it's way...)
and now, for somewhat offtopic(for the thread that is...)
If Ulqiorra is able to do a second release(A Bankai of sorts...), Why isn't he the prima espada?
I mean... Come on! The guy could probably take the 3 top dogs on his own without breaking a sweat in that form.
pretty sure he can even take out Yammy...
Too bad he's dead... I felt real sorry for him, however:
Rejoice Ulqiorra fangirls! All sould go to soul society, and while an vastolorde is composed of many, many souls, I'm sure that once you go past gillian, you're considered as only to have "one" soul, so if Ulqiorra is dead, it's only a matter of time until he shows up in SS...
Last edited by Max_White; 08-01-2009 at 04:11 PM.
Lets clear some of this up. Ichigo is different from the Vizards, Ichigo is the perfect Hybrid he obtained his Shinigami & Hollow Powers at the same time, where as the Vizards got there shinigaim powers first and then their Hollows.
Your wrong about that part in TBtP Kensei & Mashiro both got new legs and hands. As I said Ichigo is different to the other Vizards, Inner Ichigo (I-Ichigo) told him that he and Zangetsu are one in the same, "the more he trys to pull out Zangetsu power, the easier it is for him to gain control of his soul" he also told him that "If he really wanted to control his power...he better be careful, and stay alive". The one with the upgrade was I-Ichigo that wasn't Ichigo, as Ichigo gets stronger I-Ichigo is going through the different stages of a hollow.
Originally Posted by Max_White
When Ichigo learns to control his Hollow powers he will be a mix between the I-Ichigo that was fighting Ulquiorra and himself.
Ulquiorra stated that most other arrancar traded defensive abilities for raw strength, he chose not to, he also stated that his powers do not lie in attacking but regeneration. Do you really think he could take on the top 3 Espada, I mean seriously think about what you just said.
We also have to remember BF that all the Espada are ranked on DESTRUCTIVE power not really battle prowess. For instance I for one think that at the moment Barragan is much deadlier than Stark. Even though Stark aint bad and is pretty cool something about having an aura of aging death around you seems to be ridiculous. I agree with you though BF that Ichigo's hollow was going through the motions of getting stronger as Ichigo was getting stronger. They are linked. The fact that Ichigo is almost reaching is potential as a shinigami means the hollow must be getting close to vastolorde if not already one.
Also I for one don't think the hollow lies inside Ichigo but rather Zangetsu. Since we can't determine if the other Vizards can't see their Zanpakuto when their hollow is out I'm going to say it's just Zangetsu who has multiple personalities.
^Well that is a fact he said that "Zangetsu is I, I is Zangetsu".
Starrk hasn't showed us his full power, remember that Shunsui believed that Starrk could shoot more then just Ceros, even when he denied it Shunsui said he wasn't a good liar. Starrk also claimed he could shoot a 1000 ceros at once after seeing Ukitake shikai ability. On top of all that Starrk is a very good analyst, I can't see Ulquiorra having a chance against him, he would definitely lose to Barragan ridiculous hax abilities, I have know idea how he would be up against Harribel because she hasn't done a thing yet that gives me reason to why she is #3 but there is much more to come.
Yea honestly. Hallibel at number 3 seems odd. She just seems fast and able to use water. I don't see the destructivness of her yet. I dont think Ulquiorra could take on Stark but probably Hallibel and MAYBE Barragan if we assume that his aging powers don't work with Ulquiorra's lance because it is made out of emo reiatsu. Emo reaitsu doesn't age.
I think Stark can shoot more than ceros too. I'm not thinking just ballas either.
The reason I'm thinking Hallibel is number 3 is MAYBE because she might be able to use some AoE super water attack. lol. Like Hydro Cannon or BUBBLEBEAM. hahaha
It may simply come down to Harribel having enough force behind her water shots to push back the lesser ones, as well as just being faster than 4-10(0). That's all she really needs to be number 3.
As far as Full Hollow Ichigo goes, it wouldn't surprise me if he had yet another transformation with slightly different characteristics. We did see him as a lizard-man before, ya know.
IDK... the way Ichigo was talking when he turned into Hollow while fighting Ulquiorra made me think that his inner hollow wasn't really in control... It looked like it was just his will to protect Orihime that moved his body... I mean... There was no one in control... He became a "true hollow" (really empty)
Ichigo's true power is the subconscious ability to manifest any power he needs to win a battle. He took a different hollow form in his fight vs. Ulquiorra than he did in his fight vs. the vizard (specifically, a form that resembled Ulquiorra's) because different powers were necessary to win.
What I personally found interesting was that his form in that battle had the Black Sun on its chest, because that symbol is significant in a couple ways. First, Ichigo has been called the Black Sun before in one of the databooks, and second, it's a sign of the apocalypse. (Third, it's a nazi symbol, but I'm assuming that's just coincidence.)
Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
how do your powers grow?
"With gloves and scars and silver stars
and swords that I shoot from a bow,
yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."
This is the line I wanna concentrate on, as it really stood out to me. Vastro Lorde is referring to an evolution of a hollow who has eaten enough souls to take on a human shape, and gain power beyond that of a Captain. While Ichigo's Hollow has both the shape and power, he is still not a Vastro Lorde, because he has never eaten souls. As such, he is simply classified as a Hollow.
Originally Posted by Max_White
My theory is that what the Vizards fought during Ichigo's training was what his Hollow form might have been is he failed to become a Shinigami in the shattered shaft. The form we saw in the fight with Ulquiorra would be more like a ressurrecion, though still featuring a mask, as is needed for a Vizard to use his Hollow powers. As such, Ichigo's state would have been one of a Hollow and Shinigami release simultaneously.
And constantly 'eating' a shinigami's heightening power isn't enough to advance to a highly evolved level? If Ichigo's power level is at a captain's level, then his hollow which is more powerful than him is above a captain's strength. All natural Vast lords are, are hollows that have been eating the lesser powers of other menos. Menos are combinations of hundreds of weak hollows. and then so on. if a regular weak hollow ate someone like Ichigo over and over, it could rival a vast lord in due time.
Originally Posted by jhodder
remember that Ichigo hasn't developed an ability to control his actual level of power yet, so we really don't know what level his hollow has been bathing in