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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    I get what your sayin Yaz, Kube really isn't that much creative with his plot, but in all reality i think the matchups are fair. A vizard is typically stronger than a regular shinigami but do u really believe that Liza or Hiyori could take on and beat Halibel in a 1on1?? And stark is the #1 espada who had to go up against both Ukitake and Shunsui so i having both Love an afro-san take him on is fair as well no?
    Don't you mean Rose and afro-san, Love is aka afro-san.
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    ^ Spot on kid. I meant to say Rose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
    I'm a little surprised at the whole two vs 1 deal the vizards are doing against the Espada. Kubo probably didn't know what to do with the extra characters.
    All in all I feel Kubo is a very, very bad writer. SS arc was no doubt pretty good but after that it if you look at it, it really feels like Kubo only has one good story in him and then after that the rest of the story is copy/pasta from the first part. Here he has all these good characters with "supposed" limits to their power.

    First it seems like these captains are pretty decent against the Espada. Also when this whole hybrid arc started it was supposed to be these new characters being overly powerful compared to captains but Kubo is not yet ready to let go of his captains. It's just kind of disappointing to see all the hype build up about the vizards and then they have to 2v1 Espadas.

    I can't go into more detail atm but if someone wants to whine more on my behalf feel free
    He's a bad writer for how he handled the Starrk vs Shunsui & Jyuushiro fight, he built up Shunsui Bankai then made him get taken out with a Cero which didn't do nothing (which we knew). But he has done something that has made Shunhui Bankai look ridiculously strong and that's put 2 Vizard Captains against Starrk.

    Harribel vs Lisa & Hiyori is understandable but he done the same thing again, he put 2 Vizard Vice Captains (VVC) against someone who didn't land a single hit on a Captain with a premature Bankai.

    Barragan vs Hacchi & who ever, well this one I saw coming a mile away the best person to fight someone you can't touch or even get close to, is someone with very good kidou skills.

    WW & SC vs Kensei & Mashiro, I can understand this fight as well Kensei is probably the strongest Vizard next to Shinji the Mashiro part is just gonna be comic relief.

    This half confirmes some of what I said about, just because there Vizards doesn't mean there stronger then Captains especially the senior ones.

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    I see what youre saying BF but this is exactly why Kubo is a bad writer. It goes back to him saying Vizards and Arrancars are legitimately stronger than a Captain almost by default. Now we have this "winter war" going on that pretty much disproves everything he said before.

    I bet he's going to say everyone from Ulquiorra to Stark are Vastolorde and WW is something completely new and more powerful. I'm not really trying to complain too much (cause hey I like to read it too) but I think if he just takes a week off from putting out a chapter to actually have a brainstorm session and just sit down and write the plot. Right now I really, really think he is winging it week to week. He might have some idea of where he wants to go but other than that he is just guessing

    Edit:btw Kwasi thanks for calling me Yaz. I know it wasn't intentional but that is my nickname of sorts IRL. Considering my real name is Yazen.

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    Let it rumble !!!
    Now we should bet who´s going down how fast xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    This half confirmes some of what I said about, just because there Vizards doesn't mean there stronger then Captains especially the senior ones.
    I fail to see how that confirms they aren't stronger than captains just because they are 2 on 1, also which senior ones are you talking about Hitsu. I mention him since his previous opponent is also being faced by 2 people or Soi Fong, true she acts tough like she has been a captain for a long time but she is a relative new captain. I think these VVC should definitely be stronger than both of those captains, I am half and half on the sick captain because of his on again off again health issues. If the fight is a fast one then he is definitely stronger than the VVC, but if it is a lengthy one I don't think he is stronger.
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    Senior Captains: Yama-Jii, Unohana, Shunsui & Jyuushiro.

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    When thinking back carefully, i don't think Kubo really screwed up. Even If the top 3 espada's are a vastolorde type, its kinda make sense that they are having a hard time fighting those captains for the first time. After all, look at those captains abilities, all freaking shiet new moves that they all haven't see before. Not that they are not strong enough 2 take out the captain, but they were caught out by the surprise element. After WW shout, look at Halibel and Barragan condition, after taking a direct hit from those captains bankai finest technique, they all still came out unhurt. This show how strong the top 3 espada are.

    Strength isn't the measure of all things. A well plan strategy is the key 2 victory. I think that's y Kubo use the animal theme on the espada. To show the difference in way of thinking between animals and humans LOL. *Pls dont take this seriously ^^*
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    ^ Why are poeple talking about Kyoraku's and Ukitake's bankai? They're both still using their shikai.

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    He isn't. He's talking only about Hitsu and Soi Fon which everybody already knows they are still meager captains compared to "senior captains." But honestly it just doesn't make sense for Yama-jii to let it go that far without him releasing (except for Allon). He didn't know that the Vizards were coming. He was willing to let his crew get annihilated. Ukitake and Shunsui as well. They were all holding back. Baaad writing. It's not strategy if you lose the rest of your platoon for holding out too long.

 

 
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