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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas71 View Post
    Fourth, why does Barragan seem like the only one whose symbol of death gives him an ability? If i recall, Ulquiorra didn't make Ichigo so cold and emotionless. Yammi didn't make anyone but himself angry. Grimmjaw destroyed lots of stuff, sure, but so did everyone else. It's nonsense. As cool as Barragan's ability is (is he the only one with an ability before releasing?), the explanation behind it is crap.

    Fifth, it's about time Soi Fon goes Bankai. Go go go.
    I was thinkin the same thing but i was like "wait a min...... w/e". Nnoitora was pretty "destructive" to me. And Ulgui portrayed "Despair" better than Nnoitora did. Their personallies were more accurate than their abilities. As a matter of fact.. Barragan is the only one thus far who's "stage of death" Matches his ability imho. Unless Halibel Sacrifices herself to do something kool or Stark does..... something lonely. lol. Idk man idk i was just happy with Barragan's release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas71 View Post
    First off, I like that Hitsugaya has variety in his moves. It's way better than Ichigo spamming his getsuga tenshou all the time. Way better. At least Hitsugaya's not surviving on 'resolve' or 'sheer will' like Ichigo does.

    Second, another good release form. Hopefully Kishi's saving the best for last with Stark.

    Third, I don't buy this espada = symbolism of death. It's just a cheap way for Kishi to make the espada look cool and ominous. If each espada had to symbolise one aspect, and assuming that there are only those 10 aspects, then what happens if there is an arrancar strong enough to be an espada, but has the same symbolism as another existing espada? does he not get in then? the espada were supposed to be picked based on fighting power, so unless there some heavenly rule that the 10 strongest arrancar will always represent the 10 symbols, then it's complete nonsense.

    Fourth, why does Barragan seem like the only one whose symbol of death gives him an ability? If i recall, Ulquiorra didn't make Ichigo so cold and emotionless. Yammi didn't make anyone but himself angry. Grimmjaw destroyed lots of stuff, sure, but so did everyone else. It's nonsense. As cool as Barragan's ability is (is he the only one with an ability before releasing?), the explanation behind it is crap.

    Fifth, it's about time Soi Fon goes Bankai. Go go go.
    Kubo not Kishi. Lol

    I'm with you on the whole Hitsugaya thing, this battle will show the reason to why he's a captain and to why he's considered a genius.

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    LOL, stupid mistake...but i really like hitsugaya as a character and i want to see him not get beaten so badly this time...though i can't see him winning, i want him to hold his own, even for a while longer...

    so hopefully Kubo lets Hitsugaya show off a bit more first.

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    hitsugaya's chance to redeem himself will be to pump up his bankai more, turn into a full indestructible ice dragon with all the water making ice spikes and walls, stabby stabby. I'd be impressed then.

    Like ichigo's bankai, his seems too small to be true as of yet, he gets wings? when they can stand on the air already. And if its freezing things his shikai did that already. and if its the power boost , the whole time limit things just nullifies it. i expect something else to come out of it, something hopefully cool.
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    You could consider stark as a lonely character by the fact that the other espada (with, as far as we know, noitra as an exception) all have multiple fraccion, where stark has that one girl, and that girl alone.

    It's a slim start to justifying it.... but well, it's a shounen manga. Suspend your logic processes. >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckiechuck View Post
    Im sorry to say this, but that symbolism stuff is kinda BS for me. I wonder what is Nel's theme, and #6 that got killed by Grimmjow. I actually have no problem if they simply represent some death theme, but to link that to the fact that they are espada is totally not consistent with them being replaced so easily; unless they attain their power by being in a particular position, which i dont think is the case.

    I thought it was cool. Even if you´re right that it the whole thing didn´t had much thought into it but the fact that there´s more to the Espada than just being " the strongest guys" makes them more interesting.

    Plus the ten themes of death don't seem to be legitimate causes of death, but rather "flaws" that ultimately lead to one's demise.


    I personally think that the symbolism is connected to the character and not the number so it´s constantly changing since the Espada like you said, is changing ranks and members all the time. And Barragan did said the it´s connected to each individual Espada.

    Yammy (Rage) - He´s gets easily pissed the moment things don´t go his way and his latest scenes even showed that the more pissed he gets, the bigger he becomes and hell, his release command is "Ira"

    Arroniero (Greed) - He selfishly consumed other Hollows with his ability just to gain even more power, not just for evolution alone.

    Szayel (Madness) - Well, he´s pretty much batshit insane. Like Mayuri, a crazy scientist.

    Nnoitra (Despair) - Nnoitra´s despair could be related to his view on the life of Hollows, which no matter what it does, no matter how power it gains and ultimately has, it´s destined to die. He knew this, so he tried to take control of that concept by "enjoying" the moment of his death.

    Zommari (Intoxication) - This guy had a massive hard on for Aizen, even though he kept spouting his self righteous crap about how evil the Shinigami were. Also his ability was called "love". God, he sounds like a stalker.

    Grimmjaw (Destruction) - He´s a loose cannon, doesn´t respect authority and he does whatever he wants regardless of the consequences to others and even himself, also he has the biggest delusion of grandeur in the whole cast of Bleach, wants to be the king of hollows and kills whoever considers themselves equal to him be it human, Death God, arrancar, whoever.

    Ulquiorra (Nihilism) - "Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is the philosophical position that values do not exist but rather are falsely invented"

    I think that suits Ulquiorra perfectly given that he never really understood the concept of 'friendship' or 'love' or 'hearts' until the very end. He once said that he only believes what he eyes can see but you can´t see feelings or ideals. Although due to his curious nature he actually broke his theme by the last moments of his death.

    Halibel (Sacrifice) - Well, she didn´t do much so far but we do know that Halibel cares a lot about her subordinates, maybe her theme will have something to do with that.

    Stark (Loneliness) - Also didn´t had enough spotlight to make any type of assumption but we do know that one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by _zet_ View Post
    hitsugaya's chance to redeem himself will be to pump up his bankai more, turn into a full indestructible ice dragon with all the water making ice spikes and walls, stabby stabby. I'd be impressed then.

    Like ichigo's bankai, his seems too small to be true as of yet, he gets wings? when they can stand on the air already. And if its freezing things his shikai did that already. and if its the power boost , the whole time limit things just nullifies it. i expect something else to come out of it, something hopefully cool.
    His bankai is fine it's not to small at all, he uses his wings as a shield and I think that whole time limit thing has been gone since the Luppi battle, the three flowers of ice are gone and his bankai seem's more powerful then before.

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    ^ Although I have to comment on its size, its puny for a Bankai... I'd bet he can transform to a full fleded ice dragon... one day maybe...
    His and Ichigo's cannot possibly be complete Bankais, been waiting for Ichigo's 2nd Bankai and new abilities since forever...

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    ^Why can't Hitsugaya's be a complete bankai?

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    Remember the fight with scissor hands? I recall him mentioning about Hitsu being young and bankai incomplete.

 

 
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