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    Blader, right about now it seems like the only thing that can happen.


    I'd like to die with the songs I love stuck in my head. I hope to make the most of these hollow bones we become.
    I raise a toast to the the souls that sang all along. I've been gathering friends to just to make some sounds,
    before the ship goes down, I've been making amends by making the rounds before the whole world ends


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    why is everyone assuming that hollow ichigo is stronger than ichigo with a mask?he has that kenpachi like fighting skill,but thats it.sure hes used a new technique everytime we ve seen him,but thats not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnino19 View Post
    why is everyone assuming that hollow ichigo is stronger than ichigo with a mask?he has that kenpachi like fighting skill,but thats it.sure hes used a new technique everytime we ve seen him,but thats not enough.
    Because as a part of Zangetsu Ichigo's hollow understands how to use the sword to its full level of effectiveness without ever needing to train, and can utilize his own strength as a hollow to its fullest, and successfully combine the two strengths together.

    If you think of it logically, he represents the perfect hybrid that Ichigo still hasn't learned to control himself.

    Then there was what Ulquiorra thought early on, that Ichigo's power might exceed his own, but only at certain times. Those were the times Ichigo's hollow was trying to take over.

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    Ichigo's fighting prowess still isnt fully up to par, imo. Hollow ichigo seems to be all battle all the time. As Ulqui said in a nutshell, Ichigo thinks like a human and has the heart and mind of a human, and a human cannot defeat him. I guess he's hinting that Ichigo needs more than his childish resolve to kill enemies like that. He needs to unleash his primal side. In the beginning anytime ichigo used his mask it seemed more... untamed and fierce, but since ichigo's been gaining more and more control over it it just seems like he's the same person just with more strength, speed, stamina etc. Pple like, Halibel, Grimmjaw and Ulqui keep on sayin that theres more that meet de eyes when it comes to ichigo. Theres something dormant within him (Does ichigo have the Kyuubi to??? )

    The next logical evolutionary step for vizard would be to control their full hollow forms. That form that Kensei had when he just turned looked pretty impressive. Same goes for ichigo's full raptor like form. But that leads to my question, if ichigo starts training/fighting in his full hollow form (which i would hope to see happen) then doesnt that mean that the other vizard prob trained and did the same thing?? Cause i mean they had ALOT of time to hone their skills.

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    @krazykwasi: Not nessisarily. Look at fireworks/gunpowder for an example. The Chinese have had thoes around for decades at the least, but I beleive it was centuries, before even once using the idea for a millitary use. Westreners found out about it, and instantly looked at the war potential of it. Basicly what I am saying is that they might not of thought of the idea (or have only done so in desperate times), where as Ichigo is basicly being force feed the idea that it can happen in combat, and to go with it (hopefully to dominate it, not be taken over by it), and become even stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumina Asagi View Post
    True enough, I guess I oversimplified it. You know, i'm beginning to wonder just how Kubo will get him out of this. For some reason I wouldn't be surprised if it was neither Ogichi or a captain that bails him out. I implied earlier in the thread that it's possible a vaizard could show up, but I don't know.

    With Orihime and Ishida so close (and inevitably one or both will try something), if Ichigo is even remotely aware of what's happening, that stubborn-ness is going to come into play. Perhaps he could embrace the hollow half and fight Ulquiorra consciously, or Ogichi could even allow Zangetsu out to teach him a new attack and preserve Ichigo's life force.

    For the first time in a while, i'm not really sure where the next chapter will go.
    While im not sure where the Orihime/ Ishida x Ulquiorra situation will go in the next chapter, im pretty sure that Ichigo is going to revisit his horizontal inner world with a very happy Ogihci standing above him. Hes currently out of the game regarding Hueco Mundo until Ogichi takes over (Which will be at the end of a chapter for greater effect). And dont count on more people joining after Orihime and Ishida, Ulquiorra has been Ichigos main antagonist in Hueco Mundo ever since he met him, more so that Grimmjaw who was secondary at best, he will be the one to win this fight.


    And that whole thing about Will over strength? Only the second time reading the chapter, i realized that Ulquiorra gave up on breaking Ichigo no matter how horrific or stronger he gets, Ichigo will just continue to deny the obvious and keep spewing his shonen protagonist crap so he just did the next best thing. He waited for Orihime to come and kill teh man shes counting on the most to prove *her* that the only logical thing shes supposed to do is to give up to despair and shit her pants in fear.

    I like Ulquiorra alot, he doesn't understand why Ichigo or Orihime do what they do, and the reason they give him is beyond his comprehension, beyond the scope of his beliefs, so he does the natural thing and rejects them. The reason he's so keen on showing them "despair" is because if they succumb to it it will prove how false their beliefs are, and make his way of thinking the correct way. You can't judge him as if he grew up in anything resembling a human society. His existence has always been one devoid of bonds or comradarie. You ate, or you were eaten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ranteil View Post
    @krazykwasi: Not nessisarily. Look at fireworks/gunpowder for an example. The Chinese have had thoes around for decades at the least, but I beleive it was centuries, before even once using the idea for a millitary use. Westreners found out about it, and instantly looked at the war potential of it. Basicly what I am saying is that they might not of thought of the idea (or have only done so in desperate times), where as Ichigo is basicly being force feed the idea that it can happen in combat, and to go with it (hopefully to dominate it, not be taken over by it), and become even stronger.
    Tru tru. Considering that the Vizard were "underground" they wouldnt have need for so much power since they already own as is. Hopefully their curiosity, or at least Urahara's, won over their fear and they took that next step.

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    I just wanna see what it would look like if Ichigo or the Vizards kept there mask on then released, would they have the same outcome or would there looks and strength change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    I just wanna see what it would look like if Ichigo or the Vizards kept there mask on then released, would they have the same outcome or would there looks and strength change.
    Didn't Ichigo's body already do that when he was fighting his hollow in his inner world? it went from shikai to bankai and didn't really do much, than look normal.

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    He wasn't in control when all that was going on so we don't know if the outcome would be the same, plus when Ichigo & Inner Ichigo went from Shikai to Bankai the hole in Ichigo's chest appeared and he stared to turn into a hollow. So there is a possibility when wearing hollow mask then going Bankai the outcome would be different and that he would be more hollow then Shinigami in appearance or he would have a perfect appearance of both.
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