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    Hadou-kou is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    ^What was Resurrecion again ? xD
    Well,the one girl could control her mask 12 or 15 or whatever hours straight...I mean for a battle that suffices...And if you have more control over you inner beast,you also get more power (imo).

    And yeah,Kubo is kinda the cinematic type,but thereīs really no progression at all -.-"
    Resurrecion is the name of an Arrancar's zanpakutou release.

    Yeah, I guess that true. If you have control of your mask for hours that's hella-useful in battle. The only thing is whether or not Ichigo would ever have that time. The Vizards had a hundred years to get to that control level, while Ichigo's only been a Vizard for a year, more or less, and only had a few weeks of training with the vizard for that. IDK, with the way they give Ichigo boosts, he'll probably have as much control over his hollow powers within the next five chapters XD.

    As far as Orihime, I always wondered if she ever had the potential to increase her power. We all know she's pretty much a pacifist, but if she had enough spiritual power, would her fairies become something new, giving her some real offensive abilities besides the Tsubaki 'slice through you, you don't exist or whatever' spell.

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    I haven't really been following the other posts, but I read up to the one about Tensa Zangetsu needing a flaw.

    I believe I can cover this, and elaborate both why he's not faster than the espada AND the weakness that already exists in it: Speed in bleach is largely determined by your spirit pressure, just as much as the ability to flash step. In short, anyone with more spirit energy than ichigo should theoretically be able to keep up with his bankai.

    Note that tite kubo always speeds ichigo up with the hollow's mask as well as making his attacks stronger - this is due to the increased spirit pressure ichigo has at that point, it allows him to get the drop on some opponents.

    Of course, there's cases like kenpachi, where it doesn't matter how much of a monster they are, they just seemingly aren't trained in rapid movements, just big strong ones. In those cases, ichigo will always have the speed advantage. Same goes for fighting against something like senbon zakura kageyoshi.

    I guess this is technically opinion, since it's never explicitly stated, but it seems to fit.
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    *still holding out for Ichigo's Cero*

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    To someone who said Ichigo's bankai isn't slow.

    I think Byakuya isn't a slow one. He got train by Yoruichi(The God Of Flash) and can use some of Yoruichi abillity too. Byakuya has a great speed. His speed's enough to be famous among the captains and allover SS. He also great in term of spirit power too.

    But Ichigo in his bankai form surpass Byakuya's speed (without hollow mask).


    And nowadays Ichigo's shikai isn't impressive anymore and it bacome useless in the fight. In SS he could surpass Byakuya's shikai with its. However Byakuya can still fight with his shikai. He can cut an espada with its. Is it about a power meter issue again?

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    @Rumina ... I don't think Kenpachi is what you would count as "slow" He never tries.

    @everyone else, what with all this whining about Ichigo being slow in BanKai, speed is relative kiddos, Ulquiorra is naturally as fast as ichigo and his bankai, I bet if Ulquiorra was to fight Grimjow the speed difference would be ridiculous.

    On another note, Ichigo cannot win this battle. Either Orihime pulls some Sue Storm shit and puts a barrier in Ulquiorras head, blowing it up from the inside or Ichigo gets killed.


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    ^ what if the harm potential towards Inoue done by the arrancar twins causes Ichigo's sense of urgency to go up and let him succeed? that seems about how it goes anymore. What else is their reason for existing still?

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    Ichigo will lose this fight with Ulquiorra. He simply can not win against him as he is now. I would be really shocked if Kubo himself wasn't aware of the huge gap in power between the two and just lets Ichigo win with the infamous 'resolve'-power-up.

    This chapter is relevant, because it once again re-inforces that point. Ulquiorra may have drawn his sword, but he was still taking it easy up until now. Ichigo was giving it his all with his Bankai, yet he might've been killed if Orihime hadn't intervened once Ulquiorra decided to get more serious. Logically speaking, Ichigo might be able to over-power Ulquiorra with his Vizard Mask on - but Ulquiorra still hasn't even released his zanpakutou yet.

    My prediction is that, once Ichigo is truly fighting with all his abilities, he'll manage to land a few good hits on Ulquiorra and he grows cocky again. Ulquiorra takes advantage of that, releases and completely owns Ichigo. After that, I have a feeling that his inner Hollow will emerge again and take full control this time, since he told Ichigo he wouldn't allow him to die and would take control the next time something like that happened.

    With his Hollow, Ichigo might stand a chance against Ulquiorra.

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    ^And then itīll come to light that Ichigoīs inner hollow itīs actually a Vasto Lorde xDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sd
    @everyone else, what with all this whining about Ichigo being slow in BanKai, speed is relative kiddos, Ulquiorra is naturally as fast as ichigo and his bankai, I bet if Ulquiorra was to fight Grimjow the speed difference would be ridiculous.

    On another note, Ichigo cannot win this battle. Either Orihime pulls some Sue Storm shit and puts a barrier in Ulquiorras head, blowing it up from the inside or Ichigo gets killed.
    I agree on the speed, but I think his bankai is overrated, and he have to use it to any trash that comes around..

    The power chart goes like this

    Hanataru - vice-captain - Captain - Captain shikai - Captain Bankai
    Dondonchaka - menos - Fraction - Espada - Espada release
    Ichigo shikai - ichigo bankai - ichigo hollow - ichigo screwed - death!!!


    Agree with ichigo not wining the fight (exactly because the chart, he even with the mask won't be enough for ulquiorra released state)
    He also knows of orihime's power, doubfull she will ever get him, the shield is slow, he would kill her before she does anything..

    Its about time Shinji get's somewhere, either to the captains or to the hollow world
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt View Post
    Thanks for the link Cali.

    Orihimeīs taking a pro-active role since.......ever? I like.

    Iīm fucking curious to see how Ulquiorra will react after all that talking to Ichigo about the "Sheīs one of us now and thereīs nothing you can do to change that". i really dig the weird passive-agressive relationship he has with Orihime.

    I hope those 2 hollow cunts donīt do something drastic to her.


    And i seriously doubt that Ichigo will take Ulquiorra alone, hell, heīs getting help already.
    about time orihime found her spine. now maybe we'll see how powerful tsubaki can be. it's not always about fighting, it's about protecting, and that should be what's she's thinking when she uses tasubaki to slice loli and menoli in two if they try to ambush her.

 

 
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