Considering you're just as persistent, then I will be on that same level.
Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt
That's two totally separate things. If Stark was there looking at Ichigo, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't say anything or look impressed either, just as how he didn't feel anything when Arroniero died. Like when he went to capture Orihime, he just had a stone cold face and whisked her away; none of his lazy humor, just pure business.
You´re missing my point.
It doesn´t matter which reason she was surprised about, i´m talking about traits of personality here. If Stark were the one to assist at Ichigo´s fight, he´d probably react the same way he did to Yama´s attack, would that make him weaker than Ichigo?
Or by that logic you assume that the fact that both Barragan and Halibel are stronger than Yama for not being surprised at his attack?
Hell, look at Stark´s reaction in the end of the chapter, the guy was sneezing, he sure dismissed his surprise pretty quick.
By that logic, I'm stating their their personality for not being afraid may just be that, their personality. However, for Stark to be the ONLY one surprised, that may just show a sign that he's either worried somewhat, or he was caught off guard. Looks like a mixture of both. We haven't seen any personality from Halibel, and Barragan is a serious commander type, while Stark can be serious when it's time and is also lazy most times. From the situation, we I'm going to assume that he was quite serious.
Stark was right next to the fire, he didn't sneeze, he was again, just surprised at it. Then I agree, he quickly became his lazy self when he found out he wasn't hit by the fire.
He can do all that even if he wasn't a captain. The only thing that he gains from being a captain is that he has a higher rank and authority, and paperwork. I never said anything about him caring about reputation or his subordinates, and as for him revolving around fighting, I will agree. However, you're not giving him the credit he deserves for being a captain, and to some extent following the rules (from time to time).
Because by being a Captain gives him a position where he can fights powerful people, he doesn´t care about his reputation, his looks and even his subordinates (To a lesser extent when he said that he would cut Yumichika and Ikkaku down if they bothered them in his fight against ), everything about Kenpachi revolves around fighting.
You´re using his position to justify his actions which reveal his true character. He ultimately doesn´t care about law and order. It´s not his priority.
If he had not cared about law and order, he would have went crazy and tried to fight the captains over and over. Why do you think he goes after ichigo and gang (Ryoka) the moment he heard they entered? Because he wanted to fight them, and because he wanted to quell the threat.
There was ONE last Ryoka that wasn't a prisoner, and he only released the prisoners that were of no threat. It's like having a gun, moving some unarmed prisoners to tell them where the main guy was, and then herding them back quickly. There was a reason why he didn't fight any of the prisoners, they were of no threat to him and he could quickly just get them back if he wanted.
And he released all of them, the suspects of Aizen´s death. You´re whole argument is a paradox.
He breaks the law so he can follow orders?
Dude, he broke them free to find Ichigo, to fight him again, not arrest them, not bringing him to authorities. Nothing of the sort.
He. just. wanted. to. fight. him.
Like I said before, he can have both of he found Ichigo, fighting and capture. Fighting is only ONE of the things he could have done.
Ok, maybe "just as much as any captain would," is too strong. However, I already stated he took it to an extreme, but he does it in his own way. I think we already gotten the fact that he released prisoners, (to find Ichigo, blah blah) and as for fighting the captains, THEY took the first gib and swing at him. They had just as much wrong in it as he did. They did not bother to ask, just judged that he was wrong.
He released prisoners.
He fought Captains that stopped him because of his initial felony and showed a disposition of killing both of them.
How in holy hell can you believe the bolded part?
Considering that Kenpachi, Ikkaku, and Yumichika was with them and wouldn't let them escape even if they wanted to, what Ishida/Inoue/Chad they going to do? Fight their way free? No, Kenpachi wanted to use them to find Ichigo, and then fight him. The rest of Gotei 13 can then capture the already weak Ryoka. I didn't say he did it to be unselfish or a model captain, I just said he had his own method of doing things. If anything, he can be blamed for not thinking ahead, but that's his personality, a loose cannon.
They were locked in a prison and chained with cuffs that negate all Reiatsu of the people chained with it.
Now, this maybe just me but the fact they´re locked and treated in a way that they couldn´t use their powers strikes me as prisoners they don´t want to escape and cause any more Death God casualties.
But lo and behold, Kenpachi doesn´t give a shit about that!
But don´t worry, his motives are pure and unselfish! He´s here for the greater good!
I´m sure he´ll put them right back on prison after he finds Ichigo.
Actually, he stopped because he had to rest. He then stopped because he felt Yama's pressure, which he, who has a crappy spiritual sensor, even felt. He could have chased after Komamura, but didn't want to run into Yama. As for the prisoners, at that time everything was a mess and everyone was off doing something else, and so that was a blunder of what he did by not considering that there might be a distraction to cause him from keeping an eye on them. Of course, everyone was also irresponsible during that period.
He stopped searching for Ichigo because he lost his fighting mood when Komamura went to help Yamamoto.
He completely forgot about the prisoners he broke free.
And then he went home to sit on his ass.
Komamura was off on a goose chase. Kurotsuchi didn't care. Hitsugaya was off playing Sherlock Holmes. Soi Fong was ready to kill the "defecting" vice-captains. Unohana didn't even bother questioning or helping Yamamoto. Yamamoto was ready to kill his two favorite captains. Shunsui and Juushiro destroyed a prized and feared possession of SS. No one (besides maybe Hitsugaya and Komamura) had any sense of order. If you wanna play that game of sense and law abiding order, none of the captains fit.
What an amazing, law abiding, order obeying role model for Death Gods everywhere.
Oh what great leaders the captains are in SS.
You read my quote again, no where did I use the strong word hate. It is true that Tousen didn't like him, HE even stated that he didn't because he threw his world into chaos.
Tousen stated specifically that Kenpachi was wrong when he assumed Tousen hated him. Read that again.
The loose cannon wasn't the first to start the insults, and wasn't the first to start the fight ironically. The words were also ironically came from a traitor who also said that he didn't want chaos and was committed to justice.
Tousen was taking Kenpachi down because he always thought he was a loose canon, that he would follow by his fighting instincts first and his commitment to justice and peace second.
Which it happened.
Which was why they both attacked Kenpachi.
Which Kenpachi went back at them just for the sake of fighting.
Zaraki was searching for Ichigo to fight him AND capture him
Which for some reason he went off on Zaraki, and didn't bother to ask why he released them.
Which Zaraki defended himself.
Which puts the blame really on the attackers than the attacked.
Everyone in that fight, Zaraki, Tousen, and Komamura were equally at fault. They could have all equally have done better to quell the situation (ok, Zaraki would not unless being told by Yama). They didn't.
Willing to battle to the death and put a limitation on yourself is foolish. Willing to hide your powers just because you have a conceived notion of not being discovered is cowardice. Willing to defend the world by whatever necessary means is courageous. He did the opposite of that, which makes him both foolish and cowardly.
So, Ikkaku, who´s willing to fight to the death in any fight that he enters despite the fact that he handicaps himself and never gangs up on his enemies since he only enters 1 on 1 fights, is a coward?
Yeah, he sure looked like a coward when he was bleeding all over himself, could barely stand up and still attacked Ichigo screaming like a mad person....
And you're trying your best to save him face when he is clearly wrong, foolish, and cowardly.
You´re clutching to the term "hiding" and twisting his motives for his self imposed handicap so that you can call him a coward.
He doesn't want to get promoted since he wants to die while serving Kenpachi
His objective in life is dying in battle....
I seriously find it amazing that you consider him a coward.
Originally Posted by ranteil
Let´s just agree to disagree.