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    Cueny is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Zaraki

    1.Zaraki is like a monster but he have a brain too. He learns his opponents movement and ability. That explain why he can win his opponents with just a rotten sharp sword.

    2.Zaraki isn't join Gote13 because he want to fight, He told Ichigo to go home and he will manage all the rest in that condition. I think that can prove Zaraki isn't join Gote13 for fight only however he just fun with it.

    3.Zaraki has a huge or unlimited HP power then he can fight untill he win.


    Ikkaku

    1.Iba had save the Bleach.

    2.Ikkaku has a little HP power in the first place then he can easily lose.


    Espada

    1.Yammi will be the one who will survive.

    2.The number of faccion can't use for ranking espada. Uquiora is number 4 but he doesn't have one.

    3.In my openion Stark is number 1 because he can steal Orihime from Zaraki and Ichigo so easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animalia555 View Post
    Things are heating up, but I would still like to see Chad do something before the series ends.
    Personally, I would be happy if all he did was die. He is way out of his league in these fights.

    Nice chapter. Ikki's a damned shinigami. He should stop thinking about himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuyvesant View Post
    Personally, I would be happy if all he did was die. He is way out of his league in these fights.
    That is my problem I love the charcter but Tite Kubo-san does not give him any strength boosts like he does with Ichigo. IT is pure Dragonball syndrome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animalia555 View Post
    IT is pure Dragonball syndrome.
    And he is Yamcha or krillin. Poor mexican. Always gets the lower end of the stick.

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    Also Zaraki gets the job done. He was sent as a rescue team for Ichigo and co. he fought and he won. He had fun with, but he won. It wasn't like, "no I don't want to fight at full strength cause my pride is so important".

    Ikkaku got the pillar destroyed.

    About ranking, remember everyone thought that Ulqui was n°1, but in turn was number 4. So right now, it is imposible to tell. You can guess, but not tell.

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    i'm just glad that the mangaka realizes what crappy reasoning ikkaku has. my respect for kubo has been slightly restored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt View Post
    Thatīs exactly the reason i think heīs not the first Espada, Kubo is setting up the readers to think Barragan is the first Espada and then surprise them when he shows them Barragan isnīt, never judge a character by itīs first impressions in Bleach. There was alot of people saying that Noitora was the first Espada because of his comments about being the most powerful arrancar in existence. That turned out to be simple delusions of grandeur, i think the same applies in here.
    There's a difference between Nnoitra and Barragan, whereas Nnoitra just stated that he was the strongest, however, Barragan has yet to show any "talk of strength." That comment was really meant more of a joke, but seeing as how it's being commented on, I'll say this, I still believe he is #1. His attitude and mannerisms just gives off the air of superiority.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/316/11/

    We could easily say that Stark isn't #1 because of all the 3 espada there, only he was surprised by Ryuujin Jaka. So again, right now it's currently up in the air as to who #1 is.

    Kubo may or may not be setting us up, but when we first saw the Captains in the meeting, who believed that Yamamoto was the strongest? I did, and guess what, it happened because it was plain to see. Who believed that gin was stronger than Hitsugaya? Many did because it was plain to see.

    Thus is why I stated "the position of #1" is still up in the air. Kubo may or may not be setting us up to surprise but right now everything's just speculation.

    His talk with Halibel (Barragan saying that Halibel is underestimating him) implies that heīs lower than her but that heīs up to the job of leading the war.
    It could also mean that Halibel had better not underestimate his leadership abilities, not that he's lower than her. I agree however, that it just means that he's up to the job of leading the war, but it doesn't just mean that he's weaker.

    Think about it, up until that point Aizen was the one leading them. All 3 had their faith that Aizen was the master strategist, and so Barragan just wanted to take that position. Now, the other two just thought that he's not going to do just as good a job as Aizen did.

    That and what Gambit said, Lilinetteīs objection on Stark accepting Barraganīs leadership when he shouldnīt....which implies that Stark is also above him.
    Again, that objection could mean many things. Of all the Espadas we have not seen 1 that gets along with each other or their fraction (Szayel and nnoitra... nope, Nnoitra couldn't even stand him), and so that statement could have just been meant that the idea of him leading is going to be bad, since THEY want to lead to prove superiority. Since Stark is of course, lazy, he would turn it down, and so Lilinette just doesn't like the idea of being bossed around by another Espada.


    Thereīs 2 sides for this really.

    Iba makes perfect sense with his argument but the thing is that Ikkaku never joined to Gotei 13 for defending the world, he just followed Kenpachi there to serve him and to fight everyone he can. Heīs a man that puts his principles above even the world, thereīs something to be respected in that, even if itīs against all logic and common sense.
    whether he wanted to follow him or not, it's still hsi duty, as it is still Kenpachi's duty. He knows that he is there to protect the world, and it comes first before himself. That is cowardly, as Iba stated, and even at the end, Ikkaku realizes that is wrong. That's where all the "get stronger" talk comes from.

    Kenpachi does the exact same, the only difference is that heīs a fucking monster so the probability of losing is much, much lower.
    Kenpachi follows orders and knows his place, that's the biggest difference. Ikkaku tries to do the same, but fails.

    Still, iīm glad this happened, i thought that Kubo did all he could with Ikkaku but it seems heīs in for more more character development.
    I agree. I'm glad Kubo gave character development and at the same time make Iba the "big brother," Yakuza type personality.
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    We could easily say that Stark isn't #1 because of all the 3 espada there, only he was surprised by Ryuujin Jaka.
    Stark is a much laid back guy compared to to both Halibel and Barragan, to me, him being surprised is just a sign of his personality and not his strength.

    Thus is why I stated "the position of #1" is still up in the air. Kubo may or may not be setting us up to surprise but right now everything's just speculation.
    Same here man, i never said iīm stating facts, iīm saying my opinion just like you, whatever happens in the manga is up for interpretation. Even if iīm sure that Barragan is the 3rd Espada (Not sure about 1š and 2š), no matter what i say, in the end, weīll only know for sure when their numbers are finally revealed.

    Which will take some time because the fighting will obviously switch back to Ichigo and Ulquiorra to hype up the remaining 3 Espada.

    Again, that objection could mean many things. Of all the Espadas we have not seen 1 that gets along with each other or their fraction (Szayel and nnoitra... nope, Nnoitra couldn't even stand him), and so that statement could have just been meant that the idea of him leading is going to be bad, since THEY want to lead to prove superiority. Since Stark is of course, lazy, he would turn it down, and so Lilinette just doesn't like the idea of being bossed around by another Espada.
    And that pretty much the main reason why itīs so difficult to guess the ranks of the Espada. The constant power struggles between the middle-upper Espada makes it harder to get the power scale together except from some rare occasions (Like when Nnoitra shut his trap when Stark told him to in the Espada meeting)

    Since Stark is of course, lazy, he would turn it down, and so Lilinette just doesn't like the idea of being bossed around by another Espada.
    Thatīs really stretching it, in my opinion. But who knows, could be.

    whether he wanted to follow him or not, it's still hsi duty, as it is still Kenpachi's duty. He knows that he is there to protect the world, and it comes first before himself. That is cowardly, as Iba stated, and even at the end, Ikkaku realizes that is wrong. That's where all the "get stronger" talk comes from.
    Ikkaku puts his own needs and ideals first instead of the stability of the world, that makes Ikkaku selfish, not a coward and thatīs what Iba was lecturing by claiming that Ikkaku was a "spoiled baby".

    That actually makes Ikkaku selfish and *manly*, one f the reasons heīs one of my favorite characters.

    Kenpachi follows orders and knows his place, that's the biggest difference. Ikkaku tries to do the same, but fails.
    Kenpachi released prisoners to meet Ichigo and fight with him again in the middle of a serious crisis.
    Kenpachiīs obeys orders when they please him, when they donīt he just sits on his ass, I seriously doubt thatīs following orders.

    Ikkaku just has a different approach when he neglects his duty but itīs very similar to Kenpachi.

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    Kenpachi know what he do. But Ikkaku isn't.

    I think Ikkaku is cowardly, it is not wrong. He is not selfish but he fear to fight at full power and then can't even win.

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    ^
    He's definitely selfish putting his pride over his duty. I won't explain my reasoning, since most people already agree.
    etufo: HS is most likely going to die sooner or later. Who will kill the cool character killer?

    Popo: well, obviously going by that logic, HS will have to kill himself...

 

 
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