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    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Thats Shounen manga for ya. Childish ideals, characters and inconsistent plots. Sad thing is OP's plot has to be one of the simplest there is but the mangaka is such a fricken GENIUS. Makes you keep coming back for more. Fricken oda blue balls us every week. He has that kinda power. I would stop reading Bleach and Naruto if i wasn't already in to deep.
    Tite's prob under so much pressure cause he has to compete with naruto and OP. Tough acts to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habanero View Post
    There are numerous occasions where a lot of things do not add up at all. My favorite pick being the speed used in fights.

    1.Ichigo vs. Byakuya: Ichigo in bankai moved so fast that Byakuya couldn't keep track of his movements.

    2.Ichigo vs. Grimmjaw, first take: Grimm outspeeded Ichigo, who was using his bankai. And they both got even faster via release/mask later on.

    3.Zomari vs. Byakuya: Zomari was supposed to be the fastest espada. (Even faster than Grimm right?) Yet somehow Byakuya could track his movements and kept on dodging his strikes...

    Bottom line is, Bleach lost any and all logic/consistency concerning fighting after the SS arc. Plain and simple.
    thanks for the response, but that doesn't really answer my question at all. sure grimmjaw displayed that his speed is in ichigo's bankai speed already or faster, but i believe that was to show that the espada's are really on a level higher than that of the captain class of soul society. as for Zomari, his technique, the hollow version of shunpo, was supposedly the fastest, not his usual speed at all. and its not hard to think that Byakuya of now is stronger and quicker than the Byakuya of the soul society arc. Since they found out about the target of Aizen, the commander general ordered everyone to train to raise their level for the winter war. anyone can call BS on how much Byakuya improved, but he was able to.

    again, i just want to see that scene where in just about anybody was able to keep up with Ichigo's bankai speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    Let me see, so you are trying to discredit us and the legit claim we levied against bleach?? Ok, lets assume that Zaraki is in constant shikai, He still defeated the guy in his shikai form.
    That guy defeated Ichigo who was in his bankai form, with his mask on, and he(that espada) didn't even release his sword. Yet he realeased it against Kenpachi and lost against him--->Kenpachi in Shikai......

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    Notice i didn't even get to Chad's stupid powers nor Orihime's even dumber powers? It's pointless to ask how they got them or if they are even explainable.
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    what happened to you Bleach, i remember the SS arc days.... You used to be beautiful mannn.....
    what the hell? I hope the thing with his "shikai" was was sarcasm or something...we all know Zaraki never knew the name of his sword -> no shikai.
    But it is a little weird nonetheless ...

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    Let me see, so you are trying to discredit us and the legit claim we levied against bleach??
    Iīm trying to have a decent discussion, calm the hell down. Letīs not turn this shit into one of your usual pathetic ramblings.

    Ok, lets assume that Zaraki is in constant shikai
    There is no assumption here, itīs in the official Bleach Databook. He basically forces the sword to release his shikai form with his raw reiatsu explosions.

    That guy defeated Ichigo who was in his bankai form, with his mask on, and he(that espada) didn't even release his sword.
    Hum....i donīt know who youīre actually talking about here but if itīs Ulquiorra, Kenpachi never fought Ulquiorra....

    Or if youīre talking about Nnoitra beating Ichigo after his fight with Grimmjaw, what the fuck are you expecting?

    Ichigo just had the closest victory ever since he got to Hueco Mundo and Nnoitra stepped into the fray right before that fight.

    Notice i didn't even get to Chad's stupid powers nor Orihime's even dumber powers? It's pointless to ask how they got them or if they are even explainable.
    Oh, you mean both characters whose powers have been further exposed in the last few arcs?

    Because iīm sure you know through your clairvoyance powers what Kubo eventually intends to explain or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt View Post
    There is no assumption here, itīs in the official Bleach Databook. He basically forces the sword to release his shikai form with his raw reiatsu explosions.
    Really?Didnīt know that...Does he actually know he does that? Lol.And if thatīs his shikai it ainīt really different from his normal sword (although his normal sword doesnīt look like the other sword cutters too xD)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    Really?Didnīt know that...Does he actually know he does that? Lol.And if thatīs his shikai it ainīt really different from his normal sword (although his normal sword doesnīt look like the other sword cutters too xD)
    yo dont pay him no mind. There will always be die-hards who try to discredit the facts to stroke their bruised egos. I made my statements while assuming the possibility that Zaraki was in his shikai mode.

    Remember the people who tried to who did everything but scorched the earth, to tell you that Suzuka was a great manga?

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxDoLLarBiLLxx View Post
    yo dont pay him no mind. There will always be die-hards who try to discredit the facts to stroke their bruised egos. I made my statements while assuming the possibility that Zaraki was in his shikai mode.

    Remember the people who tried to who did everything but scorched the earth, to tell you that Suzuka was a great manga?
    Well, for one thing, Death is right. In terms of power levels, the only discrepency I have is Ichigo vs kenpachi, but if Kepnpachi really wanted to kill Ichigo when they first met, he would have stabbed him or use Bushido early on. Bleach has it's problems but some does many other mangas.

    I'll type this one more time, "Not all arrancars are created equal." Also implies with Espada as well. Ichigo 3/4s dead fighting a new Nnoitra, means Ichigo was lucky he survived.

    And no, Suzuka is a terrible Manga.

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    Bushido? Don't you mean Kendo? That's just how damn badass Kenpachi is, fighting with only one hand all the time. He holds that sword with two hands, he cut you in half!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    Really?Didnīt know that...Does he actually know he does that? Lol.And if thatīs his shikai it ainīt really different from his normal sword (although his normal sword doesnīt look like the other sword cutters too xD)
    He probably doesnīt know he forcefully released his sword since he didnīt gave a crap about it, he considered it only a tool in war, caring only about his own power.

    He asked for his sword name after being "defeated" by Ichigo but since the issue never came again the sword probably told him to fuck off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    Well, for one thing, Death is right. In terms of power levels, the only discrepency I have is Ichigo vs kenpachi, but if Kepnpachi really wanted to kill Ichigo when they first met, he would have stabbed him or use Bushido early on. Bleach has it's problems but some does many other mangas.

    I'll type this one more time, "Not all arrancars are created equal." Also implies with Espada as well. Ichigo 3/4s dead fighting a new Nnoitra, means Ichigo was lucky he survived.

    And no, Suzuka is a terrible Manga.
    Dragon, i know you are smarter than that. That kenpo thing was just invented at the drop of hat just so he could win the fight. He fought Ichigo full force. leave the possibilities to statisticians!

 

 
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