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    afrogreese is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    i think isshin was captain of the tenth division, and then abdicated after falling in love with ichigo's mom. hitsugaya cant have been captain for that long can he?

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    How would he fall for Ichigos mom. Captains never go to the real world, their spiritual pressure would paralyze an entire freakin city.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    *sigh*

    That is if its a gigai. The way I see it Isshin doesn't show up for another 60 years after this arc. He gets KILLED in Soul Society (meaning his soul retains its spiritual power) and is reincarnated as a normal human but with Urahara exiled in the same town they are together and ... i can't believe im actually speculating... but Isshin is trained from birth by Urahara, explaining their relationship. Although my bullshit mind-wanderings don't explain the relationship with Ryuuken.
    1) It was a gigai that he was in before he fought Grand Fisher, he even stated that himself.

    2) When you die in SS, you become spirit particles and become part of the actual plane itself. That's not how SS reincarnation works, since there would be absolutely no consequences to death.

    3) If Isshin was trained at birth, then the Kurosaki family must have had better ties with Urahara. Judging by the reactions that Ichigo had when he first met Urahara, that doesn't seem to be the case.

    Captains never go to the real world, their spiritual pressure would paralyze an entire freakin city
    Limitations on spirit pressure. Hitsugaya, Renji, Byakuya, Matsumoto, etc etc went to the real world AND lifted their restrictions. In fact, they used a decent amount of reiatsu to kill off those arrancar.


    Here is a theory that makes sense with no super plot twist.

    Isshin becomes a new captain during the exile of the previous captains. Isshin goes into the real world for some sort of rendezvous mission. He then meets his future wife and then abandons SS. He comes into contact with Urahara, probably in need of a gigai/gadgets.

    See, not only does this theory make sense, it fits into the timeline that Kubo presents to us currently. As for Ryuuken, they are working in the same field, medicine, so they'd be interacting with each other sooner or later. Just as with Uryuu meeting with Ichigo, the same could have happened with Ryuuken and Isshin.

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    Isshis is the master mind behind all, there is no "aizen" Aizen is a figure created by Isshin's Zampakutoh, to make you think aizen has thoses powers~

    He screwed ichigo's mom on a whim.. when he was drunk..

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    Newsflash, the title of 11th division captain is usually only given when YOU KILL THE PREVIOUS Kenpachi.
    Where is it stated a 11th division captain has never abdicated his position or outright abandoned it and gone missing? I'll concede after the last chapter it's almost certainly not Isshin but putting things in such a matter-of-fact way, when everything connected to Isshin is unusual, is plain stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    Isshis is the master mind behind all, there is no "aizen" Aizen is a figure created by Isshin's Zampakutoh, to make you think aizen has thoses powers~

    He screwed ichigo's mom on a whim.. when he was drunk..
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    Even if they had better "ties" with the Kurosaki family it doesn't mean they know him. Uruhara might be a friend that the family doesn't see because Isshin doesn't want them to get involved. Later, when Isshin found out that Ichigo became a shinigami, why would he tell him? I mean, he didn't say : "son I'm a shinigami too", so why introduce him to a character obviously tied with the Shinigami World.

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    i dont see why he's such a big deal,isshin.the way things are going,almost anyone coulda dissected grand fisher like that......

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    Default Lets look at this another way...

    Ok Isshin didn't show up in the flash back so that means either he wasn't in SS, wasn't a captain, or wasn't known to the general public.

    Now on the first part he not being in SS doesn't specifically mean he went to the Karakura Town, but in that same instance if he was there he wouldn't have met Uruhara until long after he gave up hiding to such extents of high level barriers.

    Now the second and this is the most far fetched one is that he wasn't a captain at that time which we can't prove because some of the captains trumped Uruhara time as a Captian and they have had no interaction with Isshin as of yet. So either he was removed and to never be spoke of again aka banished to the human world or was one of the Detention units prisoners. The detention unit makes more sense because banishing isn't really SS style for taboo events. But if he was in the detention unit that would explain how he knows Uruhara. Now this is when it gets fuzzy and is why i don't agree with this theory, he some how had to escape and meet up with Ryuken, Uyru's dad.

    So continuing on sense the first two are too vague is the last and most likely of my theories is that Isshin was not apart of the main Gotei 13, either the royal guard which would explain his clothes with the remnant of the captains Haori or special forces. The reason he would know Ryuken is because of the Quincy Conflict were many were killed. If Isshin is anything like Ichigo he wouldn't have went through with it and try to save a few of them. And after this decision he would bail on SS. Which would be why one of the gotei would have a promotion out of the blue to the Royal guard. While it wouldn't explain why he knew uruhara but at least it explains one of the requirements

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnino19 View Post
    i dont see why he's such a big deal,isshin.the way things are going,almost anyone coulda dissected grand fisher like that......
    But Isshin if father of main character ergo he could be either a total nothing (which can not be as we have seen he has some skill) or he can be piece of badass to be outdone only by his son. That's just how shonen narrative laws work.
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