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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    But all wraps with the question, if the Hogyoku isn't necessary to create a vaizard, what its purpose?
    It's not required to make an arrancar either, why do you think it's going to be involved in this storyline?

    We know that the vizards aren't going to stay as hollows. Why would the fact that they survived be anything but an indication that they were strong enough to beat their inner hollow?

    I don't see the need to add anything extraneous to what we're seeing right now, Kensei is in the same situation Ichigo was when he fought his inner hollow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    It's not required to make an arrancar either, why do you think it's going to be involved in this storyline?

    We know that the vizards aren't going to stay as hollows. Why would the fact that they survived be anything but an indication that they were strong enough to beat their inner hollow?

    I don't see the need to add anything extraneous to what we're seeing right now, Kensei is in the same situation Ichigo was when he fought his inner hollow.
    i agree with that.
    btw, if i remember correctly, back in ss aizen said that he first experimented with shinigami/hollow transformation before switching to the inverse process right? so there must be a flaw in the hollowification process or a significant advatange of creating arrancars over vaizards(control i guess).

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    First off, wow, a lot of ppl are going with the creation to cure that was mentioned several chapters back (I forget who actually started it). Now that you mention it hks, I beleive you are right. I think the reason he switched was actually because of the Insanity part. I would imagine that it is a lot easier to deal with something that you give reason to then someone who is trying to keep their sanity. Plus how hollows work they might just be denser in the SP area meaning they are easier to create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    I don't see the need to add anything extraneous to what we're seeing right now, Kensei is in the same situation Ichigo was when he fought his inner hollow.
    It was implied that they know the exact time, down to the second, of how long it took for each of them to defeat their inner hollow. Kensei couldn't win now without breaking that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    It was implied that they know the exact time, down to the second, of how long it took for each of them to defeat their inner hollow. Kensei couldn't win now without breaking that.
    I know, I mentioned that earlier in fact.

    Having them become vizards later on doesn't really solve this problem though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hks View Post
    i agree with that.
    btw, if i remember correctly, back in ss aizen said that he first experimented with shinigami/hollow transformation before switching to the inverse process right? so there must be a flaw in the hollowification process or a significant advatange of creating arrancars over vaizards(control i guess).
    i'm thinking it's probably easier to do hollow to arrancar than shini to vaizard because if you think about it, any hollow that is powerful enough to be worth hybridising would be an intelligent one(and so probably not crazy) and turning it into a hybrid won't make it go any crazier than it is as a hollow. Whereas turning a shini into a vaizard would involve the shini going crazy first as the hollow side takes over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai
    It's not required to make an arrancar either, why do you think it's going to be involved in this storyline?
    Arrancar its a byproduct of removing the barrier from the stone...

    It was really a question without any relation with current story line, of what is the true purpose of the Hogyoku.

    About their Vaizard-beat times.

    Hinamori was probably there when it started, they could just factor all the things and time when they dispached everyone to get down how long took Kensei to beat his,

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    Mmm, have you noticed that the Captain of the Kido Corps is actually the guy that now helps Uruhara in his shop. Their resemblance is unique. Was this mentioned earlier? Well, now we know why that guy is strong right.

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    Urahara has some connections...


    So this chapter revealed that the giant muscled, mustached man with glasses that so often invaded Ichigo´s personal space was none other than the freaking Commander of the Kidou Corps in Soul Society. And that his second in command was the Vizard healer.

    Why would he, which so far doesn´t have any direct impact on the storyline, would leave Soul Society with Urahara?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamiel View Post
    Mmm, have you noticed that the Captain of the Kido Corps is actually the guy that now helps Uruhara in his shop. Their resemblance is unique. Was this mentioned earlier? Well, now we know why that guy is strong right.

    Tamiel -
    It's not a resemblance...

    They the same guy, he even gave the name...

 

 
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