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    Broken_Masks is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Hello guys,
    So I've been lurking here, on and off, since about the time the Bount filler came on. I watched the anime up until the filler started, then switched over to the Manga. I didn't think to much about switching over and just started reading from where the anime left off. Well today I was reading over some Quincy info and the page said Uryuu was rather poor in the manga. Not knowing this, I went back to read through the manga's early chapters. everythign seemed pretty close and from what I oculd tell nothign was really changed except the exclusion of some lesbian moments. Welp, that was until the Grandfisher fight. So I'm writing you guys to ask, who the hell is the guy on page 16 or chapter 25?

    The doctor that forces his mask off (which I'll get to in a moment) we see later when Uryuu and Chad fight for the first time in Hueco Mundo. But the guy riding on the other hollow's back we've yet to see. At first I thought that maybe it was the first Vistro lord that we've got a clear veiw of, but then I released that the scene was happenign inside of Los Noches, as you can see by the walls. It's obvious that it's not one of the Espada we've seen. It doesn't appear to be Aizen either.

    I got to thinking about it, and maybe it's been glazed over and forgotten. What makes me think this is the fact that Grandfisher looks completely different, size and face wise. You can see the comparisons on page 17 of 25 and page 14 of 187.


    Comparing him to the doctor who we see later, he would not be the size of the Grandfisher we saw slaughtered at the hands of Isshin. The face is totally different in markings and everything. But not even that is what held me up the most.

    What held me up the most was the begining of episode 8. In it we kind of see a few humaniod hollows, then Grandfisher saying he will go, as if he was reporting to them as superiors. The only face we see clearly is that of the doctor who later removes his mask...

    So, who is this mummy-headed hollow? Is he Vistrolord? Do you think he was orignally going to be the main villian?

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    Habanero is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    The ones in the chap 25 removing Grandfisher's mask are Iceringer and D-Roy. Iceringer is the arrancar Ishida fought upon entering HM. And D-Roy was one of the arrancar who came to invade Karakura alongside Grimmjaw.

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    leejacob24 is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    you're right about iceringer but the other one is certainly not d-roy. its quite obvious that the shaped of the head is very different. and i believe grand fisher wont succumb to the likes of d-roy because although the former becomes an incomplete arrancar, he is stronger than that damn d-roy (no wonder he was killed by Rukia so easily)

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    It was an early design for D-Roy.

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    yea it was d-roy. I made a thread about this liek a year ago. And all the reoccuring hollows and people
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    I can see that he is similar to D-Roy, but there are some problems. For one, it looks like this guy is riding on top of D-roy's hollow form. Secondly, why would Kubo change him so much and make him such a low life after making him seem so important? It just doesn't make much sense to me.
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    of course it does, mangakas change their mind all the time, look at SDK, that manga was setting up the shiseiten as a big enemy and then all of a sudden they all became a part of kyo's group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broken_Masks View Post
    I can see that he is similar to D-Roy, but there are some problems. For one, it looks like this guy is riding on top of D-roy's hollow form. Secondly, why would Kubo change him so much and make him such a low life after making him seem so important? It just doesn't make much sense to me.
    IceRinger and Arrancar Grand Fisher barely had a role in the new arc. Why would this D-Roy be any different? Just because he sounds a bit more bossy? Eh. Just accept it, it's D-Roy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leejacob24
    you're right about iceringer but the other one is certainly not d-roy. its quite obvious that the shaped of the head is very different. and i believe grand fisher wont succumb to the likes of d-roy because although the former becomes an incomplete arrancar, he is stronger than that damn d-roy (no wonder he was killed by Rukia so easily)
    d roy is way stronger than grand fisher.what are you on about?

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    yes, that is indeed D-Roy. i'm sure you all remember grimmjow's origin where he met shawlong and crew, and d-roy back then consisted of a head protruding out of a worm-like body with a similar head, more or less similar how in ch.25 he's riding on top of a creature. also, notice the jagged teeth in ch.25.

    the only speculation i have is that kubo changed the whole arrancar arc that he preplanned earlier on. looking on GF's maskless form, and iceringer's form, supposedly, the upper echelons of hollows back then seem to meant to look like a bunch of freaks from a circus freak show (which i personally would have liked, kinda making it like an ode to balmung's crew from zombie powder).

    and from the rather grim revelation shown in ch.25, back then, it felt like those 3 were considered powerful over at the hollows' side, only to be shoved aside later on. surely, i'm not the only one unsatisfied with how GF turned out to be, after all that? it was with that event that i can't help but feel Kubo made a total 180 from what he seemed to have planned for this arc.
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