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    K@jinKrew is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Default Masons, God and The Devil???!!!!

    ok besides, the whole plot and storyline of the manga having references to heaven, hell and all that sort of stuff, it seems as though the manga has some literal references to religious things mostly the devil and it's satanic praise . Well I wouldn't call the Masons a religious thing maybe a cult but I do not want to directly quote that it is. But I noticed quite a few things: first off, when Byakuya met Zomari Le Roux you can see that his earings are in the shape of the skull and crossbones which is linked to the Mason. And basically his Voodoo powers is a type of sorcery or magic which is considered or viewed as evil in major parts of the world.
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    Second, on the title page of chapter 305, you can see that zalporra's(excuse my mispelling of his name) body is imitating that of Jesus's body on the cross, put instead of wincing in pain he is rather in extacy.
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    Third, on the title page on chapter 306, Mayuri is sitting down legs crossed, and his hands are positioned outwards basically in a meditating stance with a goathead for a head... now i know this is a direct literal reference to the satanic goat head with the human body as a devil worshipper or the devil himself, since it was represented as that long ago in history. And the title of the chapter is: NOT PERFECT IS GOoD.
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    Now you can see it as two ways, either that it really saying that is a good thing about not being perfect or that if you omit the lowercase o in good, it would say NOT PERFECT IS GOD; God is not perfect.
    The purpose of not capitalizing all letters is beyond my knowing of his intentions or purpose but the theories are up to you. I just want to know if anyone else has notice any other reference to things like this or anything else. AND PLEASE, I don't want any flamming or any derogatory statements of any sorts. I just based my opinion on something and I want to know what others are.

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    Strangely enough, Kubo used those 2 characters to engange in a pseudo Science X Religious debate which was probably missed by most readers.

    Christians (Which is obviously the the religion Kubo is referring too), generally speaking, seek to reach and perpetuate spiritual and physical perfection through out life and be rewarded and eventually receive enlightenment for his faith.

    Well, while Szayel was glorifying himself to Mayuri, he compared himself to the rising phoenix who rises itself from it´s own ashes. Taking that in consideration and judging from his cover, that was probably a link to Jesus Christ himself who also raised from the dead.

    I especially liked Szael´s cover, since he even has the wound from Longinus´ spear.

    Science on the other hand, keeps seeking improvements of everything in every way possible through thorough experimentation of every kind, completly disregarding the theme of perfection which by some extreme religious wings is considered an act of sacrilege and could be compared to worshiping the devil, the reason why Mayuri´s was portrayed as Baphomet in his cover, a demon which is often linked to satanists cults.
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    I had noticed those as well, but given the general nature of the manga and the characters I thought nothing of it. Especially considering the fight that was going on at the time.


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    I'm glad it caught someone's else's attention besides me, because the majority of people reading the manga now are probably 13 to 18 and i thought they wouldn't notice it the references. But does anyone have any opions about the earing and the name of chapter 306???

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    I thought it was cool that the bad guy was the religious one and the good guy (sort of) was the scientific one. I don't know about anyone else but I like Mayuri a lot more after these past few issues.

    I didn't notice the spear of longinus stuck in him, Deathbringerpt. Thanks for pointing that out.
    This was the shinigami/arrancar match-up I was the least enthused about, but I thought it turned out great. I'm looking forward to Zaraki's fight but I doubt it will have the same philosophical edge to it.

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    I do take note in the religious inuendos, or the more recent straight forward things, and I'm kind of impressed by their prevalence while being background to everything else.

    My only statement, oddly enough as it is, is that I don't get your "skull and crossbones equals Masons and Masons are cultist" reference. Hell I can walk to one and join it two roads up from where I'm writing this now.

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    Well, to my knowledge, the skull and crossbones is linked to the Masons which is "supposedly" linked to the Illuminati (can't recall) who's symbols are spread across the world such as the obelisk statue which is currently built in Washington D.C., Paris, Rome and Britain. If you heard of Illuminati then you'll know some information about the cult and sun worshipping. Now I can go on but i don't want to misinform or misinterpret the information that i would give to you. but the skull and crossbones is a symbol which is directly linked to the masons. I hope that clears things if not then i will try to provide more information when i can

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    and here i thought skull and cross bones were related to pirates...never really knew that much about masons. maybe it's cuz they're super secretive.

    but in terms of the other religious references, yeah don't artists like to draw these kinds of parallels a lot to try and make their stuff seem more interesting and artful?

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    ya i know i just thought that Kubo Tite did it in a deragatory sense until deathbringer pointed out some stuff i didn't notice earlier.

    you're right though, religious references does make it interesting. just jope there is more philosophical scenarios in Bleach than just that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt View Post
    Strangely enough, Kubo used those 2 characters to engange in a pseudo Science X Religious debate which was probably missed by most readers.

    Christians (Which is obviously the the religion Kubo is referring too), generally speaking, seek to reach and perpetuate spiritual and physical perfection through out life and be rewarded and eventually receive enlightenment for his faith.

    Well, while Szayel was glorifying himself to Mayuri, he compared himself to the rising phoenix who rises itself from it´s own ashes. Taking that in consideration and judging from his cover, that was probably a link to Jesus Christ himself who also raised from the dead.

    I especially liked Szael´s cover, since he even has the wound from Longinus´ spear.

    Science on the other hand, keeps seeking improvements of everything in every way possible through thorough experimentation of every kind, completly disregarding the theme of perfection which by some extreme religious wings is considered an act of sacrilege and could be compared to worshiping the devil, the reason why Mayuri´s was portrayed as Baphomet in his cover, a demon which is often linked to satanists cults.
    Interesting thoughts. But I think core Christian beliefs comprise of a recognition of imperfection of self and rely on Christ to bring about salvation. I would just like to point out that it is the self recognition of imperfection and reliance on God to bring about change towards the better. Anyways, I liked your points about science though. Conservative Christians definitely have their beef with modern science (unfortunately).

 

 

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