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    Mr.Glass is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    okay, been reading 301 and 302, and i've been trying to figure out why ichigo seems so weak. why is it that the captain's he's been fighting like kenpachi and byakuya seem to be doing fairly well against the espada while ichigo is getting tooled? is it because the captain's still had their powers under the 'limit' while in SS?

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    Well first off everyone is stronger since Hueco Mundo is made of a higher concentration of spiritrons than Soul Society. Secondly How does Ichigo seem weak? He should be on par with Noitora which makes sense. He barely beat Grimmjow, and if he were winning against Noitora it wouldn't make any sense. Kenpachi should be stronger than Noitora since he is at least as strong as Ichigo is. Byakuya is just facing someone weak so w/e.

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    Ichigo recived too many power ups in a short ammount of time..

    So for now, they pair him up with bad matches, and such so he get beaten around some, and make everyone around him look stronger..
    Then he go there and do his thing and he will seem stronger then everyone..

    then next arch, someone will be or look stronger and the circle will repeat again..
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    Keep in mind, when this all started (chapter 181-ish range) Ichigo was a match for an unreleased ten (Yami); and it's argueable that this was his limit. After getting the Mask summoning, he was strong enough to give an unreleased six (Grimmjow) a challenge.

    If he is beaten down to his limits against the released six soon after and five (Nnoitora) shows up and starts kicking him while he's down, is it so surprising that he's over his head right now?
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    Nah.... he would have raped Yami if he had his head on straight.

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    I want to give you that; but we still don't know what Yami's release is. That could have made a difference.

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    He's #10 for a reason.Though if he did release,and Ichigo had his head on straight,I still go with StealDragon and saying Yami would have gotten his ass handed to him on a black blade.
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    Ichigo is strong enough to beat the fourth and maybe the thirth, but he can't keep his mask for long so he seems weak, with his mask at full power he is stronger than Ulqui so he should be around #3, however he can't keep the mask at full power for anything longer than 6 secs (ok a little more... around 10, but I can't remenber the exact number) what Ichigo is doing is keeping his mask at 30% or 40% with allows him to mantain his mask for a little longer, since the mask slowly disapears instead of a complete vanishing in 1 sec.

    That is why he was able to mantain his mask for longer in his fight with Grim and their powers seemed to be even...

    in short, Ichigo is an IDIOT... 6 seconds of FULL power is enough to beat most of the crap Ichigo is fighting, is just a super ultra Royal Zero, and he is the winner... but again Ichigo is an idiot, since he didn't even took the time to learn a normal Zero, with are quite effective, if you ask me >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoswind View Post
    Ichigo is strong enough to beat the fourth and maybe the thirth, but he can't keep his mask for long so he seems weak, with his mask at full power he is stronger than Ulqui so he should be around #3, however he can't keep the mask at full power for anything longer than 6 secs (ok a little more... around 10, but I can't remenber the exact number) what Ichigo is doing is keeping his mask at 30% or 40% with allows him to mantain his mask for a little longer, since the mask slowly disapears instead of a complete vanishing in 1 sec.

    That is why he was able to mantain his mask for longer in his fight with Grim and their powers seemed to be even...

    in short, Ichigo is an IDIOT... 6 seconds of FULL power is enough to beat most of the crap Ichigo is fighting, is just a super ultra Royal Zero, and he is the winner... but again Ichigo is an idiot, since he didn't even took the time to learn a normal Zero, with are quite effective, if you ask me >_>
    Can't say I agree with you.

    He can't beat #4. #4 is Ulquiorra. Ulquiorra literally killed Ichigo without 1) releasing, 2) taking him seriously as a threat or 3) putting in much effort. Even when Ichigo had his mask on you could tell that he was not as strong as Unquiorra. So for him to beat #3, whoever that is, is not realistic.

    I doubt his mask disappeared as a result of his trying to use less power. He was in the heat of an important battle. During those battle the hero ALWAYS powers up. Him holding the mask considerably longer during the Grimmjow fight was a result of such a power up. He was in no way shape or form holding back. The mask started to disappear because at one point Grimmjow was beating his ass.

    As for wining in 6 seconds...I don't think any of the Espada can be beaten in 6 seconds...unless they fought Aizen that is. Don't let what happened with the privaron Espada fool you. His level of strength is absolutely nothing compared to the current Espada. Power levels seem to differ greatly from one member of the current Espada to another so the guys that can no longer cut it are not even worth mentioning.

    Oh, and on a side note, Byakuya and Kenpachi were always stronger than Ichigo. Byakuya lost the fight because he lost his resolve to uphold the law above the life of Rukia. When he used his bankai the second time to make all of those swords he could have just used them all to attack Ichigo simultaneously but his pride would not let him do that. Kenpachi lost because he got too caught up in having fun.
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    And there's the massive throbbing plot hole of this Arc: Ichigo's hollow mask has an inconsistent lifespan.

    11 seconds after training for a month before he got there. Possibly several minutes now after being there a few hours. Tops.

 

 
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