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    Tousen is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    And there's the massive throbbing plot hole of this Arc: Ichigo's hollow mask has an inconsistent lifespan.

    11 seconds after training for a month before he got there. Possibly several minutes now after being there a few hours. Tops.
    I thought I explained that. It's a mid fight power up. When your in an intense life and death situation you always achieve something that you couldn't previously do during training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    Can't say I agree with you.

    He can't beat #4. #4 is Ulquiorra. Ulquiorra literally killed Ichigo without 1) releasing, 2) taking him seriously as a threat or 3) putting in much effort. Even when Ichigo had his mask on you could tell that he was not as strong as Unquiorra. So for him to beat #3, whoever that is, is not realistic.

    I doubt his mask disappeared as a result of his trying to use less power. He was in the heat of an important battle. During those battle the hero ALWAYS powers up. Him holding the mask considerably longer during the Grimmjow fight was a result of such a power up. He was in no way shape or form holding back. The mask started to disappear because at one point Grimmjow was beating his ass.

    As for wining in 6 seconds...I don't think any of the Espada can be beaten in 6 seconds...unless they fought Aizen that is. Don't let what happened with the privaron Espada fool you. His level of strength is absolutely nothing compared to the current Espada. Power levels seem to differ greatly from one member of the current Espada to another so the guys that can no longer cut it are not even worth mentioning.

    Oh, and on a side note, Byakuya and Kenpachi were always stronger than Ichigo. Byakuya lost the fight because he lost his resolve to uphold the law above the life of Rukia. When he used his bankai the second time to make all of those swords he could have just used them all to attack Ichigo simultaneously but his pride would not let him do that. Kenpachi lost because he got too caught up in having fun.
    I am not the one that said it, Ulqui did... Ichigo is not able to use the full power of his hollow side, I bet Ichigo is using at best only 5% of H. Ichigo power and you can note that, by the fact that Ichigo as lame and stupid he is, is using the mask as a little power up at best.

    I still think Ichigo is stronger than Ulqui since Ulqui himself said it, and by the reaction of all the vizards when H. Ichigo charged at Hiyory and H. Ichigo wasn't even trying >_>

    is just that Ichigo is an idiot, is very simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    I thought I explained that. It's a mid fight power up. When your in an intense life and death situation you always achieve something that you couldn't previously do during training.
    That's not really good enough though. Just because it's an annoying recurring event, it doesn't erase a plot hole. We're talking the difference between Ichigo using his mask for 11 seconds to several minutes being equatable to Ichigo achieving Getsuga Tenshou during his fight with Grand Fisher. - It could have happened; but would it have been acceptable?

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    Bleach seems to be more and more about watching your favourite captains kicking arse, so I guess Captain power levels are close to infinity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaoswind View Post
    I am not the one that said it, Ulqui did... Ichigo is not able to use the full power of his hollow side, I bet Ichigo is using at best only 5% of H. Ichigo power and you can note that, by the fact that Ichigo as lame and stupid he is, is using the mask as a little power up at best.

    I still think Ichigo is stronger than Ulqui since Ulqui himself said it, and by the reaction of all the vizards when H. Ichigo charged at Hiyory and H. Ichigo wasn't even trying >_>

    is just that Ichigo is an idiot, is very simple

    Ulquiorra said that Ichigo's powers FLUCTUATED from being stronger than his own to being much weaker, this was when Ichigo was getting taken over by the Hollow inside.

    Now even when Ichigo did defeat his inner Hollow and gained his Vizard power, just because at the time, his power would rise and fall from real high to real low, doesn't mean that the balance, or average, is stronger than Ulquiorra.

    Heck, when Ulquiorra and Ichigo "fight", Ichigo says he was going to use his full strength, he went Bankai, used his hollow mask and slashed Ulquiorra. Ulquiorra blocked it with ONE ARM. He even repelled a full powered Getsuga Tenshou.

    Since that time though, Ichigo has somehow, through his determination to... save Inoue... dramatically increased his mask time. Though despite that, I still think that even if Ichigo hadn't fought Grimmjow, Nnoitra (or definitely Ulquiorra) would've still beaten him.

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    you know, it's all quite simple, like most shonen, ichigo is raw power with little control, people like byakuya and kenpachi have a great amount of control, which is why ichigo wins and loses somewhat randomly. Imagine a gas fireplace if you will, ichigo's is constantly burning strong, so he can't go for very long and even though it's hot, if you stay at a reasonable distance, you won't get burned. Meanwhile, the more experienced people only have the pilot light on most of the time, then when the enemy gets close enough to get burned, they suddenly turn it to full power, and when the enemy retreats, they go back to pilot light. I mean look at byakuya, he was calmly analysing 7th strength while holding himself back and when he saw an opening, that's when he attacked. If ichigo had gone up against him, he would've charged at him from the beginning which leaves him very tired even if he wins.

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    If you remember the first time Ulquiorra met Ichigo he was quite worried about the power that Ichigo possessed, but Ichigo can't control that power, and until he does he will be quite weak. The fact that he can only maintain his mask for such a short time compared to the members of Vaizard shows that he is in fact quite a weak person. If the hollow in him was to take over I think he would be nearly unstoppable.

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    i think ichigo is just being emo so he cant fight to his full strength and zaraki will do sumthing again and ichigo will have newfound determination ...... if that happens it would be lame .
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    I want H. Ichigo to take over and kick some arse...

    The only thing that Ichigo needs to do is say: OK I will let you be the King, but you can't kill any human or destroy any plus spirit, you can blast all the hollows you want as long as you manage to get us a harem of women and make all of them our wives, Oh and no raping!!!
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    Having a character like H.Ichigo would be awesome. He woudn't want any women though, he'd just cut them in half, and laugh maniacally cutting up even more people. Would be funny seeing him do his math homework. 1 + 1= 2 Muahahahaha, stupid equation you're not match to me.

 

 
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