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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    Which brings forth a very important, and a very (are you actually reading what I'm writing?) question: If Ichigo's body were to die, just walking around the shopping district and got shot, would he immediately be just a Shinigami or would it effect him?
    I hope that he ends up as an antagonist sometime in the future. Not necessarily with his hollow personality in control, in fact I would prefer that that's not the case, but it would allow the story to develop in an interesting direction without needing even more powerups.

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    i HOPE ichigo learns something new, like hollow regeneration, or cero(a given), or even a hollow from type release. I really don't think he's on par with the other shinigami/vaizards right now.
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    Yeah, the mask thing is what i think would happen. As the user masters the mask, it will become more and more white.

    If Ichigo were in Bankai...
    original power x 10, then uses mask, spikes it times 10. Equals ten times his original+bankai power.
    Now, if he were to use the mask, he gains 10 times the power, but then goes bankai- 10 times of the mask power and original, as opposed to 10 times the original and bankai power.

    I have no clue what i just said...but i think they're equal? I'm not sure...

    I still believe the sword would be affected if he had the mask and then used shikai or bankai. He is accessing hollow powers, and thus if he just increased his shinigami powers by using shikai or bankai with the mask on, it would edge out the hollow powers and make him weaker.

    That raises another question. Why do the Vaizards always opt for the mask? Sure, it's lke a bankai, but if they were ever in trouble and needed to get more powerful, wouldn't they use bankai and then the mask, like Ichigo? If the order mattered, I'm guessing that the reason they use the mask first is because they can spike their reiatsu even higher, if need be. Unless of course, it didn't matter, and they just used the mask because it's faster and spikes their reiatsu faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowkaiq View Post
    Yeah, the mask thing is what i think would happen. As the user masters the mask, it will become more and more white.
    What?

    For one thing, that's not what's been happening with Ichigo, it's the exact opposite in fact, his mask has been gaining more strips and they're becoming thicker.

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    Well, if you think of shinigami power and hollow power as being separate and distinct, and bankai is just a multiplier, then I guess if Ichigo donned his mask before going bankai, there would be more of his hollow power due to it being multiplied by the bankai.

    If he donned the mask after bankai, then there would be less of hollow power, because it's only being added on.

    Ex. if bankai were 3, normal power was 5, and hollow mask 5:
    mask before bankai: (5+5)*3 = 30
    mask after bankai : (5*3)+5 = 20
    Mask before Bankai > Mask after Bankai
    NOTE: This only holds true assuming the mask is NOT a multiplier

    Since the hollow powers are different from the shinigami powers, they could affect Ichigo's bankai if they were used beforehand because his hollow powers could "taint" his zanpakuto, possibly creating a new bankai upon release with more hollow-esque traits or something else from the prevalence of hollow reiatsu being put into the sword along with the regular reiatsu.

    So what im basically saying is mask then bankai is different and posibly stronger, and hollow reiatsu into zangetsu then bankai changes the bankai. @_@
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    I guess that's another difference between Ichigo and the other vaizards. Their masks are all white... i think there was a thread discussing this.

    I believe Bankai is a additive power. When you're in Shikai and use bankai, or if your in a sealed zanpaktou state and use bankai, the power is the same. Thus, you always reach the same power level, no matter shikai or sealed release.

    However, with the mask, the first guy Ichigo used bankai on in Hueco Mundo said that Ichigo could "spike" his reiatsu with the mask, which is basically like a huge increase or decrease.

    I guess it's sort of like a mmorpg. It's always better to have higher base stats than buffs that bring your stats up, because with a strong base, you have more room for improvement and buffs bring your stats even higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellowkaiq View Post

    That raises another question. Why do the Vaizards always opt for the mask? Sure, it's lke a bankai, but if they were ever in trouble and needed to get more powerful, wouldn't they use bankai and then the mask, like Ichigo? If the order mattered, I'm guessing that the reason they use the mask first is because they can spike their reiatsu even higher, if need be. Unless of course, it didn't matter, and they just used the mask because it's faster and spikes their reiatsu faster.

    personally, I believe they use the mask first since it's a general upgrade that increases their reiatsu and gives them the ability to use cero and other hollow techniques that are widely known. They save their shikai and bankai(if they have them) since their shikai and bankai will give them unique abilities, which would become their ace if their enemy has no idea what their shikai and bankai powers are.

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    Am I the only one that thinks, note - not thought, Ban Kai is different for every person, and thus effectively it doesn't necessarily "add physical/spiritual strength;" but that it's abilities are the only change.

    Ikkaku is the only one we know of who actually gets stronger after executing his Ban Kai. It's why it's even special in the first place.

    Ah, a little observation here: In Bleach protagonist characters are quite often wearing, or using, darker colored items than antagonist characters. His hollow itself is a white-washed version of himself. So why then, would his mask be getting blacker?

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    Wouldn't they pretend to be a shinigami to Arrancars? The mask would be the biggest shock, not the shikai or bankai, which they know are shinigami techniques.

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    the only reason is that its a lot easier for kt to think up mask designs than releases....
    so they use the mask first.....besides,most of the vaizards probably werent high level shinigami,so they wouldnt have mastered shikai fully..also,against the opponents they were fighting,releasing their zanpakutou is probably not much use.
    it might also save power,so wen they get outta mask mode,they arent defenseless.

 

 
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