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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josear XIII View Post
    yeah ok sounds reasonable but what about Tousen Kaname who's zampakutoh doesn't belong to him, there a lot of plot holes to simply start to state secure facts, thats my opinion
    That's no different from the academy graduate, think about it, it has to revert to it's sealed form when the user dies/is near death (and we know this to be true), then there's no difference between the zanpakutō that Tousen took and the kind given to academy graduates.

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    and ichigo learned getsuga tenshou along with the name of his zanpakutou,so no,kenpachi cant "pull out" anything.
    basically,if ichigo feels a difference in kenpachi's spiritual power,it means his sword is in harmony with him,and so kenpachi knows shikai.
    kt might have given him shikai,its what everybody wants.its what the manga needs at this point as well.

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    ^ He didn't learn it, it shot out without his control.

    He's only done it fully controlled after he learned bankai.

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    errr Ichigo didn't do it >_> it was H. Ichigo pulling the strings all the time...

    Ichigo was finaly able to control a bit of his Shikai after he saw H Ichigo doing it >_>

    or something like that... I really need a break
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    ^ The normal getsuga tenshou, not the black one.

    We are talking about shikai here after all.

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    The same, H. Ichigo was the first one to do it, remenber that when Ichigo did the first one H Ichigo was already working his ass to make Ichigo more powerfull >_>

    remenber Ichigo said that Zangetzu teached that move to him, but Zangetzu = H. Ichigo >_> so you get the idea in here...
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    The same, H. Ichigo was the first one to do it, remenber that when Ichigo did the first one H Ichigo was already working his ass to make Ichigo more powerfull >_>
    No, the first one that he did was when he first released zangetsu.

    remenber Ichigo said that Zangetzu teached that move to him, but Zangetzu = H. Ichigo >_> so you get the idea in here...
    It's not that clear cut to me, at the very least, they had appeared as two distinct entities within Ichigo.

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    Dude.. How many times must one say it before you get it.. Kenpachi's blade is a bloody Shikai!!! he already said it himself! He said something about, the reason his blade looked so weird was because it was too powerful to have in a normal form, so basically its permanently a shikai since its too powerful to be sealed to a normal katana or sword thingy.. GagGRGrgaGAhRga!!
    If Kenpachi really didn't use shikai and defeated two other captains' bankai back then, this serious is worse than regular manga bottomscraping shite..

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    I thought you you get shikai once you know the blades name, ichigo's blade was different, it was larger than all the other blades and stuff.
    Besides, the mangaka will probably need to give kenpachi a shikai now so that he would have room, and become stronger in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    It's not that clear cut to me, at the very least, they had appeared as two distinct entities within Ichigo.
    They're not two entities.
    As hollow ichigo said - he and zangetsu were the same being, or rather a combination of the two. But the more powerful one dictates which is dominant - at first it was zangetsu - then hollow ichigo grew too powerful and took over, changing his appearance and putting the hollow personality on top.
    ... I think that made sense.

 

 
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