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    Raszagal is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Yeah it is...
    Its apparently the only one released despite Kenpachi not knowing its name...
    Last edited by Raszagal; 11-06-2007 at 09:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadou-kou View Post
    if you at page before the last, you can see that the blade is still jagged and damaged, just not as much as before. Maybe this is a noobie question (As all questions are), but isn't his sword already in its released state like Ichigo's?
    Is really complicated thing coz you know kenpachi is using his zampakutoh since he was still a rukongai being a normal plus so we have to go really back into zaraki's story coz its know that a zampakutoh is created due the power of the shinigami so we dont really know if zaraki zampakutoh is a normal asauchi or a zampakutoh full developed with avatar and all

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    There is no difference. You just hope that he has learned it's name. His zanpaktou is the same as always. It's ALWAYS in shikai so he just needs to learn to utilize it. His hand doesn't look cooler either. He looks the same.

    This doesn't mean that he didn't learn his zanpaktous name though. But just because he knows the name doesn't mean he has a bankai yet. And please don't start with the "But Ichigo got his bankai in a few days" stuff. I doubt Kenpachi would even be worried about achieving bankai. He's already insanely powerful.

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    I think he would be worried if he could get it or not. He's very self centered, so he's always seeking to become stronger, by any means necessary..

    But even though Ichigo accomplished his bankai, it doesn't mean that Kenpachi will have it easy..

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    Right kids, lets go back to basics.

    Kenpachi isnt the type to meditate or anything, or any of that, and he was never part of the Death God academy or anything, so who's not to say he just picked up his sword from a guy he tore in two?

    Maybe the guy who originally owned it (just imagining it isnt really Kenpachi's), has never given, or didnt have the chance to reseal it before he died or whatever.

    So maybe thats why Kenpachi will always be stuck with his pwnstick? That it really never was his own.

    Coz theres never been a record of another Death God or whatever, attempt to use anothers weapon in the manga yet. So im just speculating.

    Maybe through fighting through the lack of bond between sword and wielder, gives Kenpachi his explosive power? Just like the combo of Hollow and Death God unlocks a whole new avenue of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunkyJames View Post
    Right kids, lets go back to basics.

    Kenpachi isnt the type to meditate or anything, or any of that, and he was never part of the Death God academy or anything, so who's not to say he just picked up his sword from a guy he tore in two?
    First problem, I agree with you all the way with one single exception: Zangetsu himself said that the sword was crying out in pain and needed a bond with him. It's not very likely that the soul in the sword is from the previous owner. As with Tousen's being specialized towards his unique condition, and yet it is likely he took it from his dead love.
    Maybe the guy who originally owned it (just imagining it isnt really Kenpachi's), has never given, or didnt have the chance to reseal it before he died or whatever.

    So maybe thats why Kenpachi will always be stuck with his pwnstick? That it really never was his own.
    Whether or not I like it, it has been stated that Kenpachi's sword is always in Shikai, much like Ichigos. It just hasn't shown any unique powers or forms yet.
    Coz theres never been a record of another Death God or whatever, attempt to use anothers weapon in the manga yet. So im just speculating.
    Tousen is very likely using his dead love's sword. The flashback showed him take it from her corpse.
    Maybe through fighting through the lack of bond between sword and wielder, gives Kenpachi his explosive power? Just like the combo of Hollow and Death God unlocks a whole new avenue of power.
    Two very wrong things here: 1) Zangetsu told Ichigo that Kenpachi's power was being deminished constantly by his sword's disharmony with him. Remember, the Zanpakutou essentially contains a part of their own soul.
    2) I can't even begin to explain where you got that last example from, other than stretching the truth to find something, anything to back up that last thing. Well, condescension aside, Ichigo and his Hollow have both been shown to weaken the other while they were in combat on separate occasions. (i.e. - Byakuya battle and Yami battle.)

    Basically, the inner workings of a Shinigami's Zanpakutou have only been shown from Zangetsu's point of view so far; so technical details are ... lacking. Either way, I'm waiting on Kenpachi to show an ability from his sword as well. It's about time we saw what it can do besides fragment from the blows and cut lesser beings by ... well, being hard and pointy.

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    Zanpakutō are not made to survive past their owner's death.

    Remember what Byakuya said when Renji was forced out of bankai? The only way for that to happen without the shinigami's control, is for the shinigami to be near death (or dead apparently), and if that happens, it's just a generic no-name zanpakutō again.

    We've even seen this with Ichigo when Ulquiorra carved out a chunk of his heart, zangetsu went into it's shikai form (because Ichigo has constant release).

    Theoretically, this actually means that there are two exceptions, Ichigo and Kenpachi are both in constant release, their zanpakutō should survive their death, or at least the physical form of their shikai would.

    Also what Tousen did wasn't that exceptional, a zanpakutō is a part of a shinigami's soul, they have to manifest it through something, it's not some unique artifact that they're given. We even know that academy students are given their zanpakutō upon graduation, but those don't actually become personalized until they manifest their powers through it.

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    Remeber when ichigo had just got Zangetsu, he could use Getsuga techou but didn't know the name of the thing?

    So Kenpachi MIGHT be able to pull something even not knowing the name.


    The reason because they don't have the normal zampakuto is because they can not "seal" it, its just too much power, since its a part of them, and they are botomless pits of Reiatsu.

    But if they die they would probably go normal zampakutoh...(but since that would NEVER happen, specialy with ichigo, we will never know)
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    well im gonna being running off of the manga here. Considering i don't bother watching the anime..


    Anyway Kenpachis sword can't be in a constant released state, cause he doesn't know it's name.

    Ichigo did his Getsugo thingy from his hollows side. His hollow side apparently knows more then him.. go figure.

    Zanpakutō do no live past their users deaths..

    Kenpachi wanted to know his Zanpakutō's name since Ichigo beat him.. he might have given up but then again he might have worked at it.

    Really i think Kenpachi is running around like Ichigo was before his sword was released.. but with a hell of alot more spirit pressure.

    Kenpachi probably has a generic sword but just hasn't manifested his power in it like previously stated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tousen View Post
    There is no difference. You just hope that he has learned it's name. His zanpaktou is the same as always. It's ALWAYS in shikai so he just needs to learn to utilize it.
    There is a difference we all use very wrong the term of a zampakutoh coz a zampakutoh is meant to refer to all the swords that are capable of cutting souls whenever they have or not avatar, remember when zangetsu gave ichigo an asauchi refering to it like a sword that doesnt posses name (so we suppose it doesnt has an avatar) and there is a plot hole about creating a zampakutoh from the shinigami powers, for example ichigo created zangetsu but it was in his sealed form, thing that is very weird so you cant go around saying that kempachi zampakutoh is always in shikai mode, now once ichigo released it never came back to sealed form so you cannot be sure if kenpachi has his zampakutoh in shikai state. coz for that are two options, 1 that kenpachi has released before or 2 that he created it in released form

    Quote Originally Posted by adonai View Post
    Zanpakutō are not made to survive past their owner's death.

    Remember what Byakuya said when Renji was forced out of bankai? The only way for that to happen without the shinigami's control, is for the shinigami to be near death (or dead apparently), and if that happens, it's just a generic no-name zanpakutō again.

    We've even seen this with Ichigo when Ulquiorra carved out a chunk of his heart, zangetsu went into it's shikai form (because Ichigo has constant release).

    Theoretically, this actually means that there are two exceptions, Ichigo and Kenpachi are both in constant release, their zanpakutō should survive their death, or at least the physical form of their shikai would.

    Also what Tousen did wasn't that exceptional, a zanpakutō is a part of a shinigami's soul, they have to manifest it through something, it's not some unique artifact that they're given. We even know that academy students are given their zanpakutō upon graduation, but those don't actually become personalized until they manifest their powers through it.
    yeah ok sounds reasonable but what about Tousen Kaname who's zampakutoh doesn't belong to him, there a lot of plot holes to simply start to state secure facts, thats my opinion
    Last edited by Josear XIII; 11-07-2007 at 05:30 AM. Reason: lol just adding some things

 

 
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