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    hellfire86 is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Default Shinigami and Hallow the balance

    I've been wondering for some time now about how the wall between shinigami and hallow stems. To that end i have come to wonder that with hallows existing as a mass of souls energy and memories that when a soul is purified by a zanpakuto where does this mass go. My belief is that this mass is sealed by the will of the zanpakuto and as the soul rediscovers the mass that is sealed away , that this is the key to becoming a shinigami and that zanpakuto spirits may in fact be the collective mass said person had once consumed given it's own conciousness by the master's will so to speak. So in short only those who had once been hallows previously can become shinigami. Since we have a greater understanding in how hallows evolve through a canniblistic festival involving consuming hallows of the same type till one dominate mind becomes head to the mass. I can then conclude these higher levels constitute who has the potintial to achieve bankai as the soul struggles to conquer it's past sins and become master of it's own fate hence our chain of fate. I would love to hear your ideas and critisism is always welcome and thank you for your time.

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    ^ Who was the first one to slay a hollow with a zanpakuto in order to allow for the first shinigami then... and how the hell does that explain Ichigo.

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    I believe that is more a result of being a pure soul born directly from a shinigami. While normally an impossible feat, we must consider the advent of condensed spirit particles with the unique gigai created by urahara whch grants the wearer the capablity to return to a normal human soul. And while i'm clueless to the mechanics of how the various gadgets in soul society were created more over the propect of artificial souls which we seem to find are a byproduct of shinigami souls. We can probably conclude that one ichigo may be reborn from a shinigami and two absorbing all of rukia's power more or less punched a hole in the dam of his sealed power and when his chain of fate was nearing it's end a second conciousness existing in that sealed power may have become active. Ofcoarse that's all speculation but it's the best i can come up with at 3 in the morning.

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    here's the thing kubo's art is great, but his story is full of holes, so I really doubt he thought about any kind of background to the origins of the shinigami

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    maybe there was once the original shinigami then he created an order of shinigami from the purified souls he made then thats how it started........i think
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinsee View Post
    here's the thing kubo's art is great, but his story is full of holes, so I really doubt he thought about any kind of background to the origins of the shinigami
    i guess i'll agree to that ..for now (let's see if kubo ever had a plan to tell the origins of the shini's).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Got killed View Post
    maybe there was once the original shinigami then he created an order of shinigami from the purified souls he made then thats how it started........i think

    Then where did the first shinigami come from? If a zanpakuto is needed to cleanse the hollow and there are no shinigami because they are created from cleansed hollows, how did the first one just appear? Im not saying its impossible for Hollows to be cleansed and become shinigami, but Yamamoto cant be an ex-hollow since he was the very first Shinigami and therefore no one was there to cleanse him into being.

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    Maybe this is how the 'King' came about? Maybe he got some sort of decree from God to purify hollows or something. Or maybe the 'King' himself is the one who started the whole shimigami thing. After all, the shimigami academy came about 2000 years prior to the current story.

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    I don't think Yamamoto is the FIRST shinigami, I think its just stated that he started the academy. He's most certainly not the first captain-commander, because knowledge of the Ou Ken's whereabouts are passed down commander to commander.

    Maybe this is how the 'King' came about? Maybe he got some sort of decree from God to purify hollows or something. Or maybe the 'King' himself is the one who started the whole shimigami thing. After all, the shimigami academy came about 2000 years prior to the current story.
    I think this is the case. The King starting everything sounds about right. Anyway, I don't think Kubo has thought out these kinds of things, unless they're important story-wise.

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    but Yamamoto cant be an ex-hollow since he was the very first Shinigami
    He only founded the first shinigami academy

 

 
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