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    Attila Khan is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Likely the King and the Royal family are what started the whole mess to begin with, but what if the existence of the hollows, is the effect of Hell's influence on the souls of men? The the Spirit King is likely the Kubo version of God, and Hell has the Kubo version of the devil, thus pluses which become Shinigami are the direct influence of the power of the SK, while the Hollows are the direct influence of the DK. Therefore as each approach the power of the other we get Vizards and Arrancar. Just a thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hotaruofmibu View Post
    He only founded the first shinigami academy
    Fine, it doesnt fucking matter if he was the first shinigami or not because the concept still remains that there was a first one and that guy couldnt have come into being from a cleansed hollow soul if there was no one to cleanse it before him.

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    or the first hollow became the first shinigami through sheer willpower becoming soul king who is half shinigami half hollow meaning he resides in a different dimension that lies in the border of shinigami world and hollow world orr... there was once a guy who was a skeleton who had a big scythe and then.......................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Got killed View Post
    or the first hollow became the first shinigami through sheer willpower becoming soul king who is half shinigami half hollow meaning he resides in a different dimension that lies in the border of shinigami world and hollow world orr... there was once a guy who was a skeleton who had a big scythe and then.......................
    God damn it, you give me heart burn....

    As for whatapyro, it's probably like this: Yamamoto was the person who opened up the academy. The shimigami could at first very well be just random souls with strong spiritual energy to fight hollows. All Yamamoto did was just organize the shimigami in the sense to hone their abilities.

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    What are these theory about, are you seriously thinking that a shinigami is an ex-hollow omfg!, are you mad?, Shinigamis are just Plus with a high concentration of Reiatsu that make the powerful enough to learn the ways of Kidoh, hakuda and hoho, zampakutoh is just the tool of them created by their powers, not by the spirit of a purified hollow(till now is what is consistent in the plot).

    For the starter of this thread, When a hollow is purified his soul return to Plus mode, if he was good he goes to SS if he where bad he goes to Hell as stated by rukia, now there are a lot of plot holes, like what happen with the soul of a hollow that has been eaten by a hollow, and what would happen if a shinigami purified a Arrancar? or moreover can they be purified?. But this theory about Shinigami being hollow before shinigami is inconsistent is a life circle

    Human, dies and become plus, dies as a plus and reborn as human again without no memories, Being shinigami or hollow are just steps outside the circle, but you will return to it in the end. Now this yamamoto genryusai thing, is as stated, he only founded the academy he is not the first shinigami, and 100% sure, he is not the first that purified a hollow, the thing was previous commanders as in real life wars, took every plus who wanted to be shinigami and give them a uniform like unexperienced soldiers if they get a zampakutou pure with an avatar good for them if not they are fu%$ed up, now yamamoto saw this and thought it would be best to just train people who are capable of being strong and found the academy, not a big thing to think, to not waste pluses live, since by devouring or other means hollow can turn the into hollow or eat more.

    is not hard and unlogical is easy an plain -_-'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Vengeance View Post
    God damn it, you give me heart burn....

    As for whatapyro, it's probably like this: Yamamoto was the person who opened up the academy. The shimigami could at first very well be just random souls with strong spiritual energy to fight hollows. All Yamamoto did was just organize the shimigami in the sense to hone their abilities.
    i totally agree with this, sorry Mr. vengance i didn't read it at first glance, if i had read it i would have put it at the head of my reply, you truly understand the thing!! ^^
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    Josear XIII you forgot to mention that a hollow would only go to hell if he commited sins during his human life too.

    But that's sorta off topic.

    Why do you guys think that shinigamis are ex-hollows.
    It's possible...wait it's most likely the first shinigamis were just normal + who had a katana(look at Kenpachi and Ikkaku. They had their zanpakuto before even joining the gotei 13).It's most likely that a zanpakuto is created when someone's reiatsu reaches a certain point too high for the body to contain and then the soul un-knowingly creates a container(the zanpakuto) to seal/hold back this huge reiatsu.

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    what's wrong with thinking that which ever entity is "god" in the world of bleach, when it created the top spirit realm (the spirit king's realm or higher) it created an elite batch of shinigami to help keep the balance?

    Actually... I dislike that.

    If you dislike that side of things as well, then perhaps when souls first started out, there was no Soul Society, so when the chains dissolved away, people were reincarnated instead of becoming hollows. The chains becoming the source of the spiritrons in the atmosphere.

    However, eventually, through means of successent reincarnation, souls began to obtain an ability to influence these particles to use as strength, and in doing so, resisted the reincarnation drive for purpose of power. So with the chains dissolved, they began to look more like normal people again and could now interact with the material world but at a price; they were doing so hungry.

    Now, the hungry ones with sadness and agony without control of things and relying solely on the source of energy at their chest drew power in from this spot and it caused it to dissolve their chest, forming the hollow hole we now know. With the body threatened by its disintergration, those early pre-hollows started to attack other souls in a cannibalistic manner, insighting their change into monsters. Shinigami were able to control the particles better and form foods from the higher density spiritrons and took up weapons against the threat of the other souls and seeked to use the higher density formations as weapons.

    Whether finding the means of control developed the zanpakuto entities or if some spirits willingly underwent a transformation into the early weapons, remains the question. But from there, it's easy to see where things go. Especially with the eventual formations of the other realms through higher manipulation.

    -whew-

    That's my long theory.

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    Thanks for the remind illidan320. And the last part of what you say about how a zampakutoh with avatar is generated is the only truth till now im 100% with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Vengeance View Post
    God damn it, you give me heart burn....

    As for whatapyro, it's probably like this: Yamamoto was the person who opened up the academy. The shimigami could at first very well be just random souls with strong spiritual energy to fight hollows. All Yamamoto did was just organize the shimigami in the sense to hone their abilities.
    Thats how I understand it from the story. There would just be too many plotholes if Shinigami came from hollows, and bleach has enough plotholes ><

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    dont worry, is impossible that Shinigami came from Hollows that would just be nonsense

 

 
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