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    evaunit666 is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Default vizards zanpakuto

    has anyone else wondered why other vizards havent metioned anything about a shikai or bankai. i mean ichigo is a vizard who has bankai and it seems like hirako would kick his ass without releasing hit sword.

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    I don't recall whether a thread has been made for this before, but it has been discussed.

    And the answer is, yes, they do have normal shinigami powers, and we have seen a release (Kensei used his shikai against Ogihci).
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    It has, I can't find it because it was probably called something stupid. As Ichigo is a vaizard who regularly uses shikai and bankai, I think its abundantly obvious the rest of them have it too... its just they're so fucking powerful they don't use it.


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    yeap Adonai said it, they have normal shinigami powers, i dont remember who says it, i think urahara or meaby was shinji himself that said that the vizards had surpassed the shikai and bankai state... The same reason i say that being a vizard in bleach is = to being a god, they are the almighty beings of bleach

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    ^ What?

    No one said that...they said shinigami have a natural ceiling to their powers and to go beyond that requires obtaining the powers of a hollow.

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    And that himself doesn't dictates if that person has Shikai/bankai

    Ammount of power and Bankai/Shikai are unrelated.
    Read: ZARAKI, all might powerfull don't have any..

    Also not every shinigami knows shikai/bankai.

    What being a Vaizard means, is that you don't have a "hard cap" on the four combat arts.

    swordsmanship (Zanjutsu)
    hand-2-hand (Hakuda)
    foot combat (Hohō)
    demon arts (Kidō)


    Bankai/Shikai are related with your synchronism with your sword, to put it.
    But to archieve Bankai/Shikai you need to be powerfull, but just because you are don't mean you will.

    Shinji mentioned that Ichigo had archieved bankai, most likely, because he is the first to do so..
    Could they have archieved it also? probably, unlikely but probably..

    Most because I think Ichigo is going to be the "Perfect Hybrid". Where the currents vaizards don't have as strong shinigami's power.
    Probably because of genetics...
    (Edited here, changed to Hybrid, more sense like adonai said)
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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post
    Most because I think Ichigo is going to be the "Perfect Vaizard". Where the currents vaizards don't have as strong shinigami's power.
    Probably because of genetics...
    I would have said that it was because he's essentially a "perfect hybrid", he became a hollow and a shinigami at the same time.

    Shinigami are just above average pluses after all, while all minuses end up as hollows.

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    well none of them will be perfect, they've never used the hougokyou. i think that if it was used to break down their hollow/shinigami distinction more, they wouldn't need to transform or pull out the mask to be that powerful. For sum reason i think that the vaizards have that in mind. They've all never used the hougokyou , whereas ALL the espada have. and the vaizards seem stronger.

    Like to me vaizards seem 70% shinigami and 30% hollow, with the mask, the voice, the reiatsu, and ceros and what not. but they rely on their sword and its powers mostly. And only using the mask to increase their reiatsu and change it to a more hollowish type.

    where as arrancaur are the opposite 70% hollow and 30% shinigami, relying more on their body, and they're own special hollow techniques. the hollow shot, hollow bullet, iron skin, ultimate cero, etc. and only using the sword to amplify their original powers.

    I think that the perfect hybrid will have the reiatsu pumped up all the time, and when they sword realease it will be sum sort of hollowized version of their original bankai/shikai.

    Just for comparison hitsugaya's shikai is just the power of controlling water in dragons from, but the bankai he gets wings and claws, an imroved sword better reiatsu, etc, etc

    -i think for example if ichigo was perfect hybrid, he would just be stronger in general and when he went into bankai he would not only get faster but have some sort of increase to his attack, or gain his hollow instant regeneration ability. ex: gain claws, tail, spikes, armor, bigger sword, new attacks, instant regeneration, and maybe a newer form of his body. Those kind of things would make him seem more like a true successive hybrid to me.

    His bankai's speed doesn't even seem fast anymore, liek everyone keeps up with it, even when he first used it he only kept it up at speeds that people couldn't follow for liek ten seconds. all the hollows sonido seems to be faster/as fast as and THE MASK is the only thing to increase his attack. he's now basically on par with everyone, only when using bankai.
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    ^ He does have an "improved" bankai when the mask goes on, it's the only time he can use the black getsuga tenshou.

    And the vizards seem to depend on their masks a lot more than their swords, mostly because of the nature of the power I think, generally, most releases don't make the user faster, stronger, or tougher, it just adds more/stronger attacks, while the mask does all of that, not to mention the fact that it gives access to powers like cero, and intimidates the enemy.
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    ^he can use it without the mask now.

 

 
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