The Vastorode Question
Hey guy, how's it going?
I've been wondering about the role of the Vastorodes ever since Hitsugaya talked about them, particularly in regards to the power hierarchy in Bleach. There are a few things I want to know:
- If the Vastorodes aren't in the Espada yet, then how is there such a gap in strength between Yammi and the Primera? Aren't all of them Adjuucas? Will there be such a wide spectrum among the Vastorodes, then?
- Considering how strong Ulquiorra is, won't any Vastorodes put in the Espada be stronger than #1 by default? They are stronger than Captains already BEFORE being hybridized--so how the hell is anyone going to beat them?
- Is Aizen even stronger than they'll be after they become Arrancar?
Personally, I think that the Vastorodes' existance alone necessitates the role of the Vaizards in the War. And I think Kubo has been dodgy about their individual strengths to set this up.
So what do you guys think?
we dont know if they are all adjucas in the espada.
ulquiorra may be a vastrode.(which would;if true mean 3-2-1 are vastros too)
and with the vaizards strength,its always possible that they could gang up on espadas.
^ Well, I only suggest that there aren't any in the Espada yet, because Aizen said recently that he needs to assemble them. I know that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't any in the Espada, so you may be right--but if that's the case, then how in the hell will SS win once more Vastorode enter the fold?
With Ulquiorra, I don't know. He could be, but you could just chalk up Ichigo's dismal performance to his not being able to control his powers well. He'd probably force Ulquiorra to release if they fought again now, and one of the more experienced Vaizards, like Shinji, could probably beat him. That's why I think that if there are Vastorodes in the Espada already, they'll be in the top 3--because even a seasoned Vaizard should have a very hard time against a hybridized Vastorode.
So if there are Vastorode in the upper ranks now, and Aizen gets more, there simply won't be enough Vaizards to go around. And even if there are, there's still Aizen, Gin and Tousen to deal with--so it's like the SS side is screwed no matter what they do.
off topic : what that anime in your sig?
off topic: at first it seemed a lot like it was death note but then not really after they zoom out, i think it might be from the black cat anime, it kinda llooks like train from behind when he zuts backwards,
on topic: seriously, i think that SS is actually in pretty good shape considering the fact that we have Shinji, Urahara, Yoruichi, and Isshin and possibly (ithink his name is rensen or something) Uryuu's dad if he decides to not be, ya know, assholish, cuz i mean Urahara barely broke a sweat facing Yammi with only a shikai, and yoruichi seems like she's got everything under control, Shinji is just mad awesome no matter how you look at it, Isshin had to leave SS for some reason and he's always hinting about being strong, i mean he did take down an arrancar in like seconds without even shikai, and the same with papa Ishida,
and then we go the whole Yamamoto, his two ultimate students, Soi Fong, and even Kenpachi who all have yet to go bankai (or shikai for Kenpachi) and seem to have very little trouble handling problems when rpesented to them in SS (except Soi Fong but she was going agaisnt yoruichi), so i mean we've only seen the weaker captains so far go into Bankai (sry Toushirou fans, even if he is on the stronger end of the weaker end) and they seem to be able to handle themselves atleast somewhat when going up agaisnt Espada and other Arrancar
but Vastorordes, i think that they are in the espada, and that the ones that aren't are gonna soon since there is so much dying in the Hollow area now, and when they do, it's probably gonna be something like Gin smiles, Tosen stares, and Aizen smiles creepily, while tehy watch Chad go up against one of them and start to lose until something happens where like Tatsuki comes to the rescue, lol,
i mean the Vastorordes are pretty bad gusy but for right now, they seem to be virtual unknowns (in experience, cuz we've heard of what they are) even in comparison to like jus ttheir regular hollow forms, so i mean they could be just like the final boss of bleach or something, so i don't think they'll appear for a while, if they are stronger than Aizen, then it might be a team up thing fo r awhile with the regulars which results in some extended storyline for when Aizen tries somethign weird with the Vastorordes
It's almost certain that at least some of the Espada are vastorōde, aside from Ulquiorra's mask and form (in Shiro's little spiel about arrancar), only #9 is a gillian, what's the chances that the rest are all adjuchas?
And I don't know why people interpreted the "gather all the vastorōde" line as meaning that he hasn't contacted any vastorōde...to me, it suggests that he contacted and turned at least some. At the very least, it's not an exclusive statement at all.
off-topic: the sig is Mikami from Death Note
one thing i'm still confused about vastorodes... how many are there in Hueco Mundo ? i remember arguing with someone on this forum about it, and it just turns out that we had different scanlations, and the scanlations differed:
what i got from the scanlation was that, hitsugaya estimated there are 10 vastoorodes, and that if there were 10 *more*, it would surely spell doom for SS.
then aizen later says, let's gather - the 20 of us (but we find out later he's just talking about arrancars, not vastoorodes).
i think the chances are high that the top espada are vastoorodes. or there are two other possibilities:
1 - aizen is waiting for a fully released/purified Hougyouku before using it on the vastoorodes, and potentially the three traitorous captains
2 - the vastoorodes are part of the Hueco Mundo royal guard
the 20 part was aizen refering to the number of arrancar but Toshirou was talking about arrancar too because i remember him saying something like "vastorordes are powerful enough so that even a captain would have trouble beating it" so i m pretty sure that he was talking about arrancar cuz if he was talking about vastorordes for that part then i'm pretty sure that Toshirou'd feel pretty stupid if ten vastorordes attacked and they beat them all,
How many Vasto lords are in the Hueco Mundo? No one knows.
All it was said was, that IF Aizen had 10 under his command, he could trample SS.
I'd be willing to bet Aizen has a couple vastrodes in the Espada. From what I gather, he hasn't collected all of them yet (if he knows how many there are). So although he doesn't have ALL, it doesn't preclude him from having SOME.
Probably the few top ranked Espada are Vastrodes.