Im actually sort of disappointed in the whole hollow hierarchy continuity. At first hollows were just raving animals, then, the more powerful ones could think and plan, and talk. Then there is Orihime's brother....who removed his own mask.....completely......but diddnt really seem to change form or anything. Then the menos grande. They were cool for like five seconds before we meet the captains who could all kill one with their little finger. So now comes the adjhucas and vastrodes. We already know that hollows can be intelligent, and talk and think and plan. In fact if you watch the beginning of the sieries it seem very much like someone or something is stalking Ichigo and sending lesser hollows after him. So if a vastrode is already as strong as a captain, already ancient and old enough to think, talk and plan. Why would they join Aizen? They are already a force to reckoned with while fully masked. Indeed why havent they been waging war on SS by themselves before Aizen? maybe they have? There seems to be a lot of war-like scenes in many of the shinigami flashbacks. If I were a vastrode, Id be like Fuck this Aizen shinigami bitch hollow wannabe, Im the real deal, this guy is just an usurper.............ah well.
Did you stop to think for a second to figure on Aizen's strength compared to the Vastrodes? As someone who can easily beat Hitsuguya's Ban Kai, Aizen's not one of few... he's like... counted as being among 1/2 the people in Bleach. As someone who took down Ichigo's Ban Kai with a finger and a half, he's easily one of the stronger people in Soul Society, let alone the Bleach universe.
Masked Ichigo is about even with Grimjaw (if you leave out the last part where he just slashed Pantera down the middle...). During their first encounter, Ichigo's strongest attack left a big scar on Grimjaw's chest. Aizen's strong enough to make Grimjaw bow like a little bitch just by upping his reiatsu a little bit.
With Ichigo trying to go up against Ulquiolla and failing like a labrador against a tank, we can deduce a clear difference in strength between Ulquiolla and Grimjaw. Ulquiolla was pure rape... and that was unreleased.
If Aizen's commanding him, and I think 2 people stronger than him, then how can you even say that, as a Vastrode, you'd make Aizen your bitch?
I'm thinking that 4th rank and down for the Espada were made from Adjucas, and that the top 3 are Vastrodes who've already joined Aizen.
Either that, or there are some damn strong Adjucas running around Hueco Mundo.
@Irecinius: I think you mean "If there were over 10 Vastrodes."
In any case, Hitsuguya was saying "If Aizen has over 10 Vastrodes in his control, Soul Society's doomed." Do you think he counted Vastrodes transformed into Arankal?
Vastrodes are mentioned as stronger than any captain. They dont say HOW much stronger, but given the weak assness of SS's lower ranks, all you have to do is beat the captains and then killing everyone else will be a snap. Aizen is WAY stronger than any captain that went up against him, so even if he didn't effect the Hougyoku on himself, there's a chance that he is still stronger than any given vastrode.
The reason why the Espada are so OMGZOMG is because they have come into contact with the hougyoku. A natural vastrode will be far inferior to espada, and after coming into contact with it, will average around the top rank.
So all Aizen has to do is promise them a ton more power and they will come to him. Or he can beat them into submission by force - as has been mentioned.
^ i doubt that, the weakest natural vastorode may be weaker than the top 3 espada but definitely not weaker than all the espada cos that would make no sense given how afraid hitsugaya was.
the strength of each vastrode is greater than that of any captain.SS has thirteen captain level ppl strictly on their side(ichigo renji and ikkaku are counted among these)
so logically,hitsugaya was saying that aizen,ichimaru and tousen,along with ten vastrodes,could take out the gotei captains.the arrancar could do the rest.
at that point in the manga,espada had just been encountered,(ulqi and yami)
so it is unclear whether hitsugaya meant shinigamified vastrodes or not.
am i the only one who thinks ichigo is the strongest vizard right now?
sure the others can maintain masks longer,but shinji wasnt that impressive against a one armed,badly beaten grimjaw.ulquiorra could probably keep him going for ages.
Who says Shinji was trying? Besides, it takes longer than 2 seconds to kick Grimjaw's ass, so saying Shinji is worse than Ichigo because of something like that is bs.
Ulquiolla's another story, though.
^Exactly. There are so many people in Bleach (aside from the Arrancar and Aizen & Co) who could be stronger than Ichigo. Just that they haven't shown enough of their abilities to know how good they are. Theres Urahara, Ichi's dad, Uryu's dad, we still don't know too much about the full abilities of at least half of the shinigami captains, the old Espada, etc etc.
my pridiction is that the top 5 espada (or 4) are vastorodes and the last 5 (or 6) are adjucas, actually number nine was a gillian..
Rupi who was Grimmjaw's replacement for a while in the espada was pwnd by Hitsugaya after he thought he won, which could mean that shinigami captains are capable of defeating espada up to 6, maybe higher if a powerful captain like 1st squad is involved.
Ulquiorra is definetly a vastorode imo.
Ichigo has a long way to go as a visard (he still can't do ceros right?)
Aizen can crush an espada with only reiatsu, i think that he's more than just a shinigami despite the fact that he was hiding among them for god knows how long..
Some how I doubt Lucifer would be using the hogyoku(SP?) on himself before he had it at full strength. But clearly even as a Shinigami he was stronger than Ichigo. I would say his ability and reiatsu was somewhere near double or triple Ichigo at the time that he pulled a Goku and stopped Zangetsu. So controlling the arrancar ranks, (which I still say are just adjuchas) is likely fairly easy for him.
Now as for Ulquiorra being a Vastro Lorde. I assume part of the reason people always say this is the two pictures that are used when hits talks about Vastro and adjuchas, and how the with 10 Aizen could spell doom for SS. I have to disagree. As shown by the fight with Ichigo, there is a difference between him and Ichigo, but it isn't high enough to say that he would be a one man destructive force. he might Kill Hitsugaya and Sajin out of the caps, but that's because they are toward the bottom end. I think maybe if anyone at all; Stark, and number 1 or Number 2 if Stark is El Primero de Espada, are Vastro Lordes. But otherwise if they aren't there are none in Aizen's ranks. I really think that Lucifer is smart enough to know that a perfect version of the jewel is in sight, and if he would but stay his hand until that time,(which will no doubt be his downfall) he can make himself, the Vastro, and anyone else he may have turned or will turn *cough*Chad*cough*, into the best versions he can.
Originally Posted by Tousen
meh...I still think Aizen is only average and he just uses his ability to trap everyone into a fantasy where he is god-powerful. He diddnt actually stop Ichigo's sword with his finger, he diddnt actually have more reiatsu than Grimjaw, he just altered their perceptions with his ability in order to make it seem so.