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    Viraten is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Default Ouken-The King's Key

    Ok, I'm not sure if this is only the anime making shit up...but I can't be bothered to look for this part in the manga.

    Basically, it says that Aizen wants to make a new King's Key to open the portal to another dimension and kill the King and become the God of all death gods or something. And to do that, he needs to sacrifice Karakura town, Ichigo's homeplace to make the key. However, apparently, there's a key already in existence which only the 1st squad commander-captain, Yamamato knows of.

    But that begs the question...how did they make the original key? Did they perform a similar sort of ritual by sacrificing an area of high spiritual density to make it? And if so, what does that imply about the benovolence of the King? Is he really a 'good guy'? Or is he simply neither good nor evil, but just is? Or the remote possibility that he may be evil as well- a lesser of two evils perhaps. Now I'm just into pure speculation, but you get the gist of it.

    Now unless I seemed to have totally missed something about alternate methods in making this key...does anyone have any explanation to clear this up?
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    Maybe the original key.. just existed already when Ouken was created And to make a new one you need an equivalent level of spiritual energy which you can find in this town.

    Of course it would be more bad ass if they actually sacrifaced some village before, but I don't that happened.

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    Yamamato told that Aizen read about when the key was 1st created, since the location where its passed down, goes mouth to mouth between the Lit. Commanders

    So yes, they sacrified some village/city in the past (a VERY distant pass) to have the key made.
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    It was specifically said that creating the key itself isn't the problem, so I would guess that the problem here is that the current location that must be used also happens to hold many thousands of people.

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    the original key was probably made in some other ways.

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    Default Adding to my haphazard style of thought...

    Ok...the way I see it, Aizen and his forces are pretty damn strong. Aizen himself is a top-rated shinigami, even amongst the captains. Gin and Tousen aren't so bad from what we've seen and are both captain level. The espadas have immense destructive power and are pretty tough. Not to mention, the other arrancar and perhaps basic hollows/gillians and such under his control. In essence, Aizen's army is immense. If they were to go to war with soul society with the addition of the Vasto Lords, perhaps they'd win.

    But Aizen himself...wants to obtain hollow powers and kill the King right? This begs the question...this King? What IS he? The fact that someone as powerful as Aizen seems to think that he needs hollow powers on top of his elite shinigami skills implies that this King or his guards may have immense power...or perhaps, just MAYBE, this King...is the also a mix between hollow and shinigami- a perfect hybrid and to beat him and take his place may require another perfect hybrid.

    I mean let's be honest...shinigami that can stand against Aizen are at best-Yourichi, Urahara, Isshin, Yamamato, Ukitake, Shunsui, Unohana and Ryuuken (except he's a quincy). And this is being vastly biased in favour of the 'good guys.' In reality, the list may be much shorter. But Aizen can muster an army which is able to at least slow down these lot to get to the King.

    The other thing that quirked my interest was what everybody's favourite inner hollow said...his obsession with becoming 'King' in Ichigo's world. That's the only other time it's been mentioned in the manga, in another context. Perhaps just an inside joke or heavy implication by Kubo that the King may have hollow powers or be a hybrid of some kind like Ichigo.

    I know, I know, this borders on wild speculation, hell, it IS wild speculation but I'm only posting here to see if it can be debunked by anyone realistically. For instance, if I missed a vital point which nullifies my entire argument.
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    Heh, I actually don't know what Aizen is waiting for - he has already power to kill most of Soul Society captains (which should be one of his objective, since they could be nuisance for his plans) - and yeah, there isn't much characters in Bleach which are actually threat to Aizen (the only one are those which Viraten already mentioned).

    But you know...King is a King. Maybe an ultimate Shinigami, maybe a God-like creature ... yeah, a god would be a good guess. Something which doesn't classify as shinigami nor hollow - something of superior power. That's my idea.

    And no - I think hollow-Ichigo doesn't want to be King-King but just rule over Ichigo's body (and you blame him ? He needs to live and borrow his power to some stupid idealistic kid, who makes lot's of mistakes in every fight - he would be nothing without him).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox View Post
    And no - I think hollow-Ichigo doesn't want to be King-King but just rule over Ichigo's body (and you blame him ? He needs to live and borrow his power to some stupid idealistic kid, who makes lot's of mistakes in every fight - he would be nothing without him).
    I never meant to say that he wanted to become the King of soul society but I was trying to imply that maybe this is a subtle hint or inside Kubo is pulling to what the actual King is like since this is the only other mention of King in another context in the series. So yeah, I didn't mean for it to sound like hollow Ichigo wants to be soul society king but rather a distorted way of supporting my absurd theory.
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    bah i don't get why your asking so much about, almost all the questions were answered in the manga/anime. Aizen wants to be king, which is god, ruler of all spirits. To become god/king he needs ou-ken, to get to the throne of god/king, where he will kill god/king and take his place. He needs the hougoukyo to make the key, and the espada to rpotect him from the gotei 13 while he does it. He needs the houghoukyou to make the espada, but since he's forcing it to be "awake" , it takes damage, which he needs inoue to repair.
    and the king probably isn't evil, since yamamoto said the recipe calls for 1 million "modsouls" the original key was probably created with the mod souls they use to replace them in their gigai's, considerably less evil, or maybe they used the quincy or sumthing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _zet_ View Post
    bah i don't get why your asking so much about, almost all the questions were answered in the manga/anime. Aizen wants to be king, which is god, ruler of all spirits. To become god/king he needs ou-ken, to get to the throne of god/king, where he will kill god/king and take his place. He needs the hougoukyo to make the key, and the espada to rpotect him from the gotei 13 while he does it. He needs the houghoukyou to make the espada, but since he's forcing it to be "awake" , it takes damage, which he needs inoue to repair.
    and the king probably isn't evil, since yamamoto said the recipe calls for 1 million "modsouls" the original key was probably created with the mod souls they use to replace them in their gigai's, considerably less evil, or maybe they used the quincy or sumthing.
    Not at all...

    He needs to sacrifice a specific location in the human world, which in this case, contains thousands of people, including Ichigo and co.

 

 
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