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    Talking Urahara, Isshin kurosaki and the Vizards

    The title doesn't make a sense of what the hell I'm trying to ask, but lets see if someone brings a original theory of this inexplicable thing in bleach series

    Why or How, the vizards, Urahara Kisuske and isshin Kurosaki, seems to have regained life?

    Coz the thing is that they seem as resurrected from their graveyard, in bleach it is said that
    One in 50,000 humans is a medium with some awareness of nearby ghosts, but only a third of these are able to see them clearly, and only the strongest of mediums are able to speak with or touch ghosts. Ordinary humans can gain the ability to interact with spirits by spending time around a large source of spirit energy
    So the thing is that if this is a fact how people can interact with these people who were shinigamis and were death, like normal, someone would say that with a gigai is possible and i agree with that but if we look to certain facts looks like imposible, in the case of urahara i would say a yes, but looking to the vizards make say a no.

    Vizards dont seem to be in a gigai, coz while figthing with ichigo they dont come out from a corpus faux they simply drag their swords out of nowhere and do their vizard thing, but people can see them as normal, and i dont thing that Kubo tite needs to hide the fact of using a corpus faux

    WORST THAN THAT, tell me about Ishin kurosaki, that guy attends tons of people who doesnt have special abilities and they can see him, you coul say again that is a corpus faux(gigai) but, how the hell he got to get his wife pregnant, thats kinda impossible between a death person and a live one.

    So even if a lot of people think that this thread is stupid, i would like to hear the opinions of the ones that thinks the other way around.

    Thanks for giving your time to read what I wrote

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    I think they're just massive plotholes made by Kubo's poor planning. I mean, comeon Rukia gets raped by the bottom of the barrel hollow in Episode 1 and is forced to give her powers to Ichigo. And now you see her have Shikai's killing Arrancars left and right. Or the explanation that Orihime and Chad getting their powers from Ichigo's massive overflowing reiatsu, when no one in the current arcs even care about how much reiatsu he has anymore, because among the top tier now, it's normal. Shouldn't there be more misfits like Orihime and Chad then? The Vaizards have a social life, go to school, and are in fact stronger than Ichigo even. Another is, Ishida getting his powers back when Kubo made such a big deal how after using the gauntlet during the SS arc would decimate his possibilities of having powers. Now something so simple as be on the verge of death and have an arrow shot into his watchamacallit. Anyways, there're a ton more plotholes and poorly explained situations.

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    Actually Isshin and Urahara are within simple possibilities. Urahara was banned from SS. Well he is a spirit and how better to make sure a spirit can't just come back like all spirits than to make him part normal human?

    Isshin well it seems he retired or left to follow Urahara out of SS so while he may be able to use the various way to get to SS(we haven't been shown so we don't know) he has a life and kids and had a wife and doesn't want to be doing Shingami stuff.


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    it might be brought up when ichigo learns that his father is a shinigami
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    This is silly.

    Vaizards are visible because they want to be. Shinigami choose to be invisible in their spirit forms. Its been shown that they can (as can hollows) exist on earth and be visible to the normal eye. Why wouldn't vaizards be able to as well?

    Isshin and Urahara are vastly different from Ichigo. The obvious answer to why Ichigo affects those around him and Urahara and Isshin don't is because Ichigo does not control his spiritual pressure. As one former captain and another probable former captain its simple to see that they have mastered reiatsu control (See Byakuya sneaking up on people despite his massive spritual pressure and Isshins explanation about the size of zanpakutos), its not even difficult to believe they can do it in a gigai. Furthermore it's already been said (see when Ishida and Ichigo teamed up during their battle against the menos) that Ichigo naturally releases an insane amount of reiatsu. Pay attention kid.


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    You're getting over-defensive on semantics. Just releasing reiatsu does not equate to anything more than releasing reiatsu. Even if he just releases massive amounts, in current arcs no one cares anymore about his reiatsu. He would constantly be effecting more and more people. Why not affect Ishida, he might be a Quincy but that doesn't mean he can't develop something non-Quincy like, like Orihime and Chad did. Ichigo not controlling his spiritual pressure means nothing. We've seen many fights where people releases their pressure on purpose to attack their opponent, and times where they don't restrain their reiatsu at all. Ie, Byakuya, Kenpachi, and others. You see in there fights that Ichigo is affected by their pressure. He goes all "Ugh! This pressure..." Your explanation proves nothing, and don't call pull the superior age card when your explanations are trivial. Denying the fact that there're plot holes in an obviously poorly planned manga is silly, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animusdx View Post
    You're getting over-defensive on semantics. Just releasing reiatsu does not equate to anything more than releasing reiatsu. Even if he just releases massive amounts, in current arcs no one cares anymore about his reiatsu. He would constantly be effecting more and more people. Why not affect Ishida, he might be a Quincy but that doesn't mean he can't develop something non-Quincy like, like Orihime and Chad did. Ichigo not controlling his spiritual pressure means nothing. We've seen many fights where people releases their pressure on purpose to attack their opponent, and times where they don't restrain their reiatsu at all. Ie, Byakuya, Kenpachi, and others. You see in there fights that Ichigo is affected by their pressure. He goes all "Ugh! This pressure..." Your explanation proves nothing, and don't call pull the superior age card when your explanations are trivial. Denying the fact that there're plot holes in an obviously poorly planned manga is silly, sir.
    What the hell are you talking about??? No ones denying plot holes Im giving you an alternative explanation that shouldn't even be that hard for you yourselves to have come up with. You're retort is point blank retarded. Its got nothing to do with what im talking about and is completely out of left field. We've no evidence that a soul can be multiple things at once. If Ishida is a quincy what the hell would make you think he could be something else? All his spirit power is focused on him being a quincy, unlike Chad and Orihime who didnt have an outlet for their spiritual energy. And even so Ishida is still a normal living human, the only conceivable way he could get new abilities separate from his Quincy ones is if he died or had his soul removed like Ichigo does when he goes to his shinigami form. Plus its shown that Ishida being around Ichigo doesnt affect the type of power Ishida has but by merely standing near Ichigo, Ishida add more power into and onto his existing Quincy powers.

    Who's say Ichigo ISN'T affecting more and more people, you see Kiego and Tatsuki developing some sort of extra spiritual ability. I already said what Ichigo not controlling is reiatsu is doing. Hell you want evidence look at Ishida! He has comprable reiatsu and he controls it and doesnt affect the people around him. Every single person in this manga with spritiual power other than Ichigo, Orihime, and Chad knows how to control their reiatsu, and you talk like its just coincidence that they are the ones affecting the people around them... HELLO at least try to connect the dots here instead of running off on irrelevant tangents!

    What the hell shinigami's do in battle against each other is completely irrelevant to what Ichigo does sitting at home or in his classroom. Ichigo is naturally unconsciously releasing more reiatsu than ANYONE in the manga right now because he does not control it. This is a FACT. Now if you stick people like Tatsuki, Chad, and Orihime around him daily for years its only a given that they would develop some sort of spiritual power themselves, and lo and behold they did. And btw... if Byakuya fully released his reiatsu on earth... well just go back to the chapter where he explains why their strength is limited and read for yourself.


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    yeah and the way how they can stand/walk on air. how do you explain that?! That is so poorly planned out by Kubotite (sarcasm)

    Its just a cartoon in an imaginary world. Just be glad the creators gives us something entertaining to read and watch every week. Maybe his intention is to explain everything in the end... Who knows?

    Isshin "spirit man" making Karin, Yuzu, and Ichigo with human woman - look at Shrek how the hell can a dragon and a donkey make babies? because its just a cartoon

    Ishida losing his powers then regaining them again - What if the author didn't give his powers back? He would be better off dead. Now consider the Ishida fans, many of them would be dissapointed or angry. If you don't remember the Rurouni Kenshin Manga when the lead female character died, some people were so pissed that they stopped reading the manga. I'm sure there are a lot of Japanese fangirls who is in love with Ishida.

    and everything else I don't know how to explain it because I don't make up the story. its just a cartoon and I enjoy reading it, thats all.

    have a nice day.

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    feh some people want everything nicely tied up and presented to them so badly that they forget that the perfection is in the flaws. you have to admit that a series without any plot holes or mistakes would not be nearly as good as one with
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsuki_the_wolf View Post
    feh some people want everything nicely tied up and presented to them so badly that they forget that the perfection is in the flaws. you have to admit that a series without any plot holes or mistakes would not be nearly as good as one with
    Im going to ignore the obscenely stupid post above yours Tsuki. I think you're being a bit unclear. A manga with plotholes isnt good, but maybe you mean one that leaves things to the readers imagination?


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