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    Krytha is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Eh? At the beginning she had her powers... the recovering gigai is what made her lose her control over those powers. I'll accept that she... messed up... which caused her to lose... Messed up really, really badly.

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    rukia did admit that she let her guard down while fighting that hollow in first chapter...she also had people to protect. she probably didn't have the sense or time to release her shikai. So...in a way..
    Yes. she messed up really, really bad.

    and the "recovering gigai" is not a "recovering gigai"
    urahara never planned to give rukia her powers back.

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    Awww, Tsuki the Wolf beat me to several ideas! Bad Tsuki! Okay, I'm kidding there, in general I find that I agree with Tsuki. Anyways, I've always been of the beleif that Isshin agreed to "help" Urahara in an experiment. The experiment was a Gigai that should increase the ability of the person wearing it. The actual result was a Gigai that actually turned you human by absorbing your spiritual energy. The thing is no one realized this untill after it was to late.
    This would explain why Isshin starts off not being able to even sence ghosts, but latter on being able to distinguish Kon and Ichigo, as his spirit energy finaly starts to super-saturate the Gigai. I would post the whole theory, but I'ld have to find it first.
    In short it is this experiment that got Urahara expelled from the SS, and it would also explain the Gigai that Rukia used. Remember the SS said it wasn't normal, and Rukia said she felt that she was loosing power instead of gaining it. Also we are talking about fake bodies, if this was an experiment who knows the kind of life expectancy for anyone?

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    :P, sorry for the misunderstanding, i though my question was clear, es because im from dominican republic and my original language is spanish :P, i still cant use very well the english or make myself clear in a point but the question was they existing on earth, sorry ^^

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    in a gigai,shinigami can pass for human.they have a flesh and blood body.isshin was in the same gigai that rukia was put in,for around 20 years.his spirit pressure has actually decreased from what it used to be.
    urahara and the vaizards are just like shinigami,except they choose to make themselves visible and audible,and wear street clothes as opposed to the shinigami uniform.

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    yes but the nagging question about the vizards is are they former random shinigami or are the random pluses who signed up for Urahara's experiments, or third option, are they really some of Urahara's former underlings who left with him?


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    shinigami are made of spiritons...as explained by kubo...they' re parallel to molecules and atoms; given that the human world in saturated with molecules and not by spiritons they can float...like the reason helium balloons float in and oxygen saturated atmosphere...however, they would not fly in a in a helium saturated atmosphere...that also is why they cannot fly in soul society...because they are normally beings composed of spiritons and in a spiriton saturated environment. They need an artifact like the cloak and wing thing that Yoruichi had.

    Also, the reason why Isshin has a human child is explained by everyone...Urahara has gigai that drain reiatsu and synchronizes the user with the gigai...his (Urahara's) are not standard gigai they are abnormal. These particular gigai make reiastu undetectable and steal a shinigami's powers while synchronizing then with the gigai, thus making the wearer a normal human. This is part of the reason Urahara was banished from soul society because of these and his creation of the hogoukyo. However, shinigami can over time, regain power--> given the extent of the time and how much was lost...however long they may have stayed in the gigai as long as they go into a spirit saturated envirnoment such as the vizard and urahara's underground facilities. Starngely enough, Isshin left soul society about 20 years ago...where as, Urahara left about 100 years ago...so given the time it would be easy for Isshin to regain his powers...seeing as twenty years is not that long, and he is at captain's level.
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    Also, it was not Urahara who was knowledgeable of the vazirad it was Isshin... For the most part...Aizen talked about the limitations of shinigami and hollows, and how blurring the lines breaks the barriers...that is why arrancar and vizards exist...Aizen said he, he focused on the hollow to shinigami, meaning that he possibly tried all venues...he is a maniacal genius. He possibly played mad doctor and first used shinigami in his experiments...and after he had repeated failed results he switched to hollows, which could explain the fewer number of them and the reason Sshinji is so knowledgeable...but, that just a theory. To be honest we have seen arrancar made through the hogoukyo with wonderwyce....but, we have not seen a vizard created with it, i wonder how much more powerful would they be?

    Also, has anyone wonder why, there are so many strong arrancar who are stronger than the average captain...and none of them have ever attacked Aizen...? In fact there are all scared, now either Aizen has reached the limit of power and it is quite amazing or, he is a vazirad, to keep his place as the strongest...because an ordinary captain cannot hold power over so many strong entities and be weak...this is not chess. More than likely, he has reached the limit, because (he said he was at double captain level...and that is way he can frequently use the hogoukyo which is why he only needs a vastolorde to move his plans earlier than winter)

    p.s. I aslo agree that rukia got emotional nd charged in there without thinking, thus getting pwned.
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    vaizards probably got hollow powers like ichigo did...they turned into hollow themselves and got the hollow masks and all...the question is, how did they know they were vaizards, get all the information of the going-on's, and meet each other?

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    a lot of thanks for all the theories they are helping me a lot let's count them

    1st The one i made myself through the reishihenkanki, that can covert solid matter into spiritual particle: my theory says that urahara use this device in a reverted form and that way Isshin and him make themselves humans without giving away their powers, but is contradictory coz:
    -For one side Isshin lost his powers and got them back, thing that makes my theory illogical, only proving that gigai is correct
    -For other side, as i explained that solid matter can access to any of the ways of reaching Soul Society(Dangai or Senkaimon), which is justified by the scence in Soul Society Arc, when Urahara send ichigo and the others and try to slip his hand an is quickly denied by the world(coz my theory marks that urahara has turned himself to solid matter)

    2nd the explanation given by elnino19 saying that isshin is in a gigai and urahara and the vizards are pluses that are making themselves visibles coz they want. *as for me this theory dont really convince me*

    3er the explanation given by Charmed Infamous, that really touched me coz it support the one given by elnino19 and really can reach to convince me, BRAVO BRAVISIMO
    To all the people that have given their opinions a big thanks, and the others to come, i would really apreciate to read their opinions and theories, the reason im doing this could be a bit childish, the thing is im making a Role Forum Game, based on Bleach, one that is not to take the role of one of the series characters but create one for yourselves and play around doing whatevere can be done in bleach world, so im trying to fill all the plot holes that where leave it by kubo tite to make it well structured.

    Thanks to everyone ^^

 

 
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