Are captains that weak?
I'me fully up to date with the manga, and this thought just came to mind. Are the captains Soul Society piss weak compared to the Espada? In Soul Society Saga Byakuya had quite a hard time against Ichigo in bankai mode, and he's one of the stronger captains. But the Uquloria can easy defeat his Hollow form. So i was just wondering if the espada are WAY stronger than the espada
Yup.Remember Hitsugaya said that Vastro somethings are stronger then Captain class Shinigami,and that it would only take 10 of them to completely bring down the Soul Society?
of course the espada are way stronger than the espada, I mean how can the espada not be stronger than the espada? :)
seriously though, although vastorodes are said to be stronger than your regular captain, we have no reason to believe that any of aizen's espadas are made from vastorodes, there are a few that have been implied as possibly vastorodes, but none that we know for sure.
Oh come on, if they didn't have a few Vastorodes...
But yeah, they're probably stronger than captain Shinigami - and it isn't the captains who are weak, anyway. It's the fact that a hybrid (Vaizard or Arankaru) seems to be stronger than a regular Shinigami or Hollow. Presumably, if any captain became a Vaizard, he/she would be pretty damn powerful. (Since Ichigo is the hero and has to lose sometimes anyway...)
And aside from that, it's just Ichigo. Hitsugaya almost took down Ruppi and he's a captain and Ruppi's an Espada. Ulquiorra is supposed to be super-powerful-dude, and Ichigo is just kind of weak even compared to most captains (there's a discussion on Byakya in another thread).
well the way i see it is this, hitsu said 10 vastorodes can take down SS if they work together right? well theoretically I'm pretty sure 10 aizens can take down SS, maybe even 9 aizens can do it, so they should be around the same strength, with aizen being stronger slightly. Now since a hybrid that is not a failure is always stronger than the original, if aizen were to make a vastorode into an arrancar then it would probably be stronger than him so he probably won't do it until he himself is a hybrid. Now if he has already turned himself into a hybrid, then it is certainly possible for him to have several vastorode-arrancars under his command.
@Digital-Ummm....He was nowhere near taking down Luppi.And Ichigo is as strong or just a bit stronger than a captain.
@Chinsee-Aizen is all Shinigami.Strong Shinigami,but just a Shinigami.The only reason the Arrancar follow him is because he has no fear.,and hes daddy to them.
What are you talking about? If Ruppi hadn't left with the other Espada, Hitsugaya could easily have killed him. It was a pretty fair fight; they seemed to be evenly matched, but Hitsugaya won. Hitsugaya is also a weaker captain.
Of course, Ruppi was replacement #6. For all we know, the top 5 could be insanely strong.
sasuke, aizen is probably still a pure shini, but we don't know for sure until we are actually shown proof, he's had plenty of time to use the hougyoku on himself if he wanted to.
Yeah, Hitsugaya was going to win. He was beaten the first time after the Espada released.
Then he came back and suprised Luppi with his technique.
If Aizen were to invade SS with just the top 10 Espada, SS would lose but wouldn't be completely massacred.
SS has several captains that could probably hang with the Espada:
The Commander-General, Shunsui, Ukitake, Byakuya, and possibly Unohana Retsu.
If Zaraki learns then name of his Zanpakatou maybe he could take on Espada too.
The problem is the rest of the captains would probably lose.
If SS had Yoruichi and Urahara it would have a better chance but I can't say that they would win.
Luppi was the replacement #6,meaning she(?)was just as strong as Grimjaww.So if we follow the power circle,then that would mean Hitsuguya is stronger then Ichigo,who had a hard time with the former #6 and was PWND by the current #4.
And Aizen would have used the Hougyoko on himself first before he started making Arrancar,so if he hasnt done it already,then most likely he never will.I mean,hes strong enough as it is,seeing as hes taken on most of the soul soceitys captins at once.And for the fact that he can use his Shiki for a very prolonged period of time.