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    MisterQ is offline Member Newbie
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    Urahara didn't seal away the Hyogyoku right away, he found it to be dangerous (he probably found out that it would not only give shinigami hollow powers but could create perfect arrancar as well) and first attempted to destroy it, couldn't, and then sealed it away, he would have no reason to seal it away if he hadn't at least explored it's powers a little.

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    About captains... By SS standards they're pretty strong. They aren't weak in the sense that they aren't the super-powerful hybrids. Shunsui and Ukitake could probably take Chad 1v1, but Ishida... who's a super-Quincy now, would probably take one of them if not the other.]

    Kurotsuchi just sucks as a captain... and Hitsuguya can't seem to win fights against people who aren't sexually questionable (rupi). After them, the captains are fairly strong, I'd say.
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    I believe that part of the reason why Byakuya had such a difficulty defeating HIchigo was that there was no control over the Hollow resulting in a much more manic fighting pattern, the training may have reduced Ichigo's power in that way, but it's keeping him from turning into a Hollow so I guess that's not a bad thing.

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    I agree with neefca

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    About captains... By SS standards they're pretty strong. They aren't weak in the sense that they aren't the super-powerful hybrids. Shunsui and Ukitake could probably take Chad 1v1, but Ishida... who's a super-Quincy now, would probably take one of them if not the other.]

    Kurotsuchi just sucks as a captain... and Hitsuguya can't seem to win fights against people who aren't sexually questionable (rupi). After them, the captains are fairly strong, I'd say.
    Well, soifon is pretty much written as a deus ex machina, two hits and you will die, and that's just her shikai (I'm expecting her bankai to be along the lines of Byakuya's, cept with hornets that deliver the blossoms),
    5th seat Yumichika sits in this category too, though his rietsu draining power hasn't been shown in use much, I'm undecided about Kurotsuchi, I suppose it depends on whether arrancar etc are affected by poison

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    i doubt chad is an easy opponent as he developed his own high speed combat technique and with the "sword" arm now hes alot tougher (he beat an ex espada easily while ichi was nearly KO'd if not for nell i think that speaks alot in and of itself)

    also abarai was seen (in a flashback) asking ikkaku to become a captain and as we know ikkaku was laying the smackdown on the seis espada before he went hollow form so that says alot for his and other captains abilities (albeit hitsu-kun was getting beat like he stole somethin' during the same time frame) and they were limited to only 20% power at the time

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    Well Ichigo is the Protaginist of the ANime/Manga series, and so his power dose seem to out weigh thouse of the captins, and with his eventual joining the side of the Vizard, he will only grow more powerful and, further make the captins look like whimps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erachima
    It's simple logic really: If Unohana is not very strong, then Aizen is very dumb. Aizen is not very dumb, so therefore Unohana must be very strong.
    So, using the same logic, Yami is not very smart and could've stopped Ichigo from slicing off his arm. Since he underestimated Ichigo at the time, he can fend off Ichigo's Bankai attacks normally.

    Still, in reality, it can't happen.

    By leaving Unohana alive, Aizen very nearly screwed himself over, since he was almost captured as a result.
    Not really. He expected everyone to be fighting and exhausted to do anything. Even if the message did go off, by the time it was relayed and everyone came to him, he could've gotten away with time to spare.

    Problem being his long-winded monologue.

    If he had killed her and Isane, nobody would have told the other captains that he was alive until after he had made his escape. Additional advantages would have been that without her healing abilities, SS would have been down several more ranked officers who received wounds from him that would have been mortal without treatment.
    That makes sense, I'm not doubting that. But then again, this goes against his nature to go around randomly killing off people (I don't count Hinomori, she was smothering him). And yes, without her healing abilities, SS would be down a captain, but then they also have a whole squad, which should be able to heal the mess made (Yes, I know Unohana would help) albeit, maybe in time or not.

    The time limit idea doesn't apply here either, since if he had enough time to monologue and beat Komamura he had enough time to beat Unohana, assuming their strength was anything close comparable. Therefore, if Unohana is only as strong as the other average captains, then leaving her alive was EXTRAORDINARILY dumb.
    That doesn't take into account that Unohana already knows the secret to his hypnosis, meaning he wouldn't be able to use the same tricks he used on Hitsugaya/Komumura. That means he wouldn't be able to give off 5 second kills like he had with the previously mentioned. This is of course assuming that Unohana is in the same power range of Hitsugaya/Komumura. So fighting her would stall more time then intended.

    Which also leads to the fact that he had everything planned, even the teleportation with Tousen. Since Renji encountered him the exact time he spoke with Unohana, he had no choice but to go. He couldn't just waste time for Tousen to make the drop because he's a perfectionist (Yes, he is).

    So we have a contradiction here: Aizen needs a reason to leave Unohana alive, even though he knows that she will inform the others and endanger his entire plan, or else there is a giant plothole.
    Agreed.


    And that is why I believe Unohana is, at the least, a high-end Class 3 fighter.
    I'm incline to agree. She MAY be a decent fighter (That of Hitsugaya's, Komumura, or Kurotuchi), but her main point is healing (which isn't the case at hand).

 

 
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