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    Just an idea from something Terasiel said.

    As we all know Ichigo got his ass kicked after cutting off Yami's arm (10th espada) Yoruichi OWNS the shit out of Yami and Urahara successfully defends against one of his strongest attacks. Ulquiorra (4th espada) is present but inactive. He intervenes to save Yami's life and intermittently notices who they are fighting are levels far and above their own. So basically its undeniable that Urahara + Yoruichi > Ulquiorra + Yami. Now im curious because I dont want to go on a fanboyish rant and say that Yoruichi is stronger than Ulquiorra. But i cant deny that her AND Urahara together are. If Ichigo is currently losing to Ulquiorra, then its simple to say that Ichigo is weaker than either Yoruichi or Urahara. Now i could throw in the monkey wrench and say that Ulquiorra was talking about him and Yami vs Ichigo Kisuke and Yoruichi but id rather not. Im trying to analyze this battle because it would appear that Soi Fong is probably as strong as or near to the strength of Ulquiorra.... which is a stretch but im including it because its one of the first things that came to mind. Now I cant help thinking that if ONE of the SS captains or Yoruichi came with them (assuming Kisuke is doing whatever it is Kisuke does) this excursion into HM would be much more ... winnable. I dont think Yoruichi's strength has changed since her fight against Soi Fong, and Ichigo imho, despite his training actually seems weaker. Now before you bite my head off for saying that, Consider his power when he fought Byakuya (The last fight he won w/o his mask) and his use of his hollow form then (which although uncontrolled was most likely stronger than him using his mask) and consider what he did to Yami, then what Yoruichi did to Yami. Now consider that that same hollow form, when it fought Dordonnii (who i think was more than likely weaker than Yami since he's no longer an espada). It doesn't add up unless you make Ichigo weaker. Back to Yoruichi - lets not give her the benefit of the doubt and say she is (of course) stronger than Ichigo w/ his mask, but obviously (using Masked Ichigo to set the bar) a tiny bit weaker than Ulquiorra. Shes also, according to the same logic, much stronger than Grimmjow, which makes Masked Ichigo even MORE weak in my eyes . It makes you think, where does everyone stand? Are the Espada really as overpowered as we think they are. Mind you they're all (excluding the dead Arroniirro) Adjuca-Arancarr. I think my point is that this manga just made a bit more sense. KT isnt making overpowered characters because according to my logic most of the experienced SS captains should have no real problem taking out any of the current Espada. Everyone stronger than say... Byakuya and Soi Fong should be able to defeat them or at least pose a very steep challenge. Factoring in personal quirks like Kenpachi's natural resistance to damage and pain and its even more apparent that the Espada and our heroes arent very strong in comparison to the other characters in the manga.

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    I don't see him getting weaker.

    He was winning against Yammy, it's just that he was also trying to suppress the hollow so he couldn't focus on the fight.

    And he only needed bankai to win against Dordonii (while Dordonii was using resurrección), he just did somewhat better against an unreleased Yammy.

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    First of all, thanks for the recognition SD. I'm gaining more of that each day. Hope I don't pull a Griffith.

    Anyway, The only thing I can say to this off the top of my head is: Yoruichi remains a vaguely defined character in many ways. We know she's suposed to be a Shinigami, that she's barely tapped into her strength besides scaring Soi Fon, and that she and Urahara were very close in his "early days."

    It does make you wonder just what she's capable of and why she doesn't exert it more often.

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    i see where ur going with this, and i agree. both urahara and yoruichi have been hinted to be uber strong but exactly how strong? nobody really knows. my guess is that urahara is slightly stronger than yoruichi but im pretty sure that the two of them together would be able to handle any espada thrown at them. i really wanna see urahara yoruichi in a situation where they have to fight to their full power to see what their capable of.

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    thats my point exactly. So when people *cough*xxdollarbillxx*cough* bitch and moan about how overpowered the Espada are... this should put it back in perspective.


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    You also forgot to take this into account. She nearly broke her arm and leg while fighting Yammy. She could defeat Yammy, but at the cost of a arm and leg? Ichigo could've won that fight, but his inner hollow fucked him up. Urahara could've easily killed Yammy had Ulquiorra not intervened. Ulquiorra who's easily levels beyond Yammy could've probably taken on the two. So in reality, Ulquiorra>Urahara=\=Ichigo>Yoruichi>Yammy

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    ^ We don't really know.

    Only Ichigo used his release (though logically with the mask he should be able to handle Yammy).

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    actually, she nearly broke her limbs because yammy had that iron skin thing and she didn't know, if she had known about it and prepared for it in advance, she would kick yammy's ass with ease.

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    I agree with ^. Had she powered up an attack to take on the iron skin, im sure she wouldn't feel any thing. Its like punching a wall you think is plaster and find out afterwards that its brick...im sure if she knew she wouldve pulled out a "jack hammer".

    One thing for certain is that the current Espada are comparable (either equal or less) to the SS captains. We have only really seen Byakuya and Mayuri really use their ban kais. (tousen of course is stronger so im disregarding him)

    Another mind boggling question would be is the infamous Kuchiki Byakuya weaker than the espada? I'm sure he'd own 9 and 10...but i dont think he can touch 8 or higher. If he fights someone fast (as we've seen, ichigos bankai seen doesn't even help anymore) then his petals are gone and if he fights a regular espada you still have the iron skin to worry about...(petals rendered useless maybe?) Interesting indeed since he's a nobleman.

    And how about angel-Ishida? He owned Mayuri's bankai with one shot...Of course his target was big and slow but still. I wonder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagoKui Heir View Post
    I agree with ^. Had she powered up an attack to take on the iron skin, im sure she wouldn't feel any thing. Its like punching a wall you think is plaster and find out afterwards that its brick...im sure if she knew she wouldve pulled out a "jack hammer".

    One thing for certain is that the current Espada are comparable (either equal or less) to the SS captains. We have only really seen Byakuya and Mayuri really use their ban kais. (tousen of course is stronger so im disregarding him)

    Another mind boggling question would be is the infamous Kuchiki Byakuya weaker than the espada? I'm sure he'd own 9 and 10...but i dont think he can touch 8 or higher. If he fights someone fast (as we've seen, ichigos bankai seen doesn't even help anymore) then his petals are gone and if he fights a regular espada you still have the iron skin to worry about...(petals rendered useless maybe?) Interesting indeed since he's a nobleman.

    And how about angel-Ishida? He owned Mayuri's bankai with one shot...Of course his target was big and slow but still. I wonder....
    Too true.........How about Kenpachi??????
    Maybe Captains are divided into two groups, the strongs ones (Yamamoto, Ukitake,etc.) and the weaker ones(pretty much the rest)...........its just a theory though, I could be wrong.

    Btw, if Ichigo already overcomed his hollow side then he can at least launch a Getsuga without any problems, but it seems he has to fuse with his hollow to lauch a getsuga.......hmmmmmm, i wonder if there will be a full explaination of people's abilities and powers
    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....................

 

 
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