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    xxDoLLarBiLLxx is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    I'll give you that, since you tend to double check, or should I say triple in this case; but I still stand by the idea that his Shi Kai is likely to go through a visual change after he becomes aligned with it.
    Adonai is right, why are you arguing something that has been said in the manga???

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    Gotta say it......What?

    That quote you used contradicts what your asking. I said "I'll give you that, since you double check everything."

    If you looked at my previous post you'll notice how I compared Ichigo's Constant Shi Kai to Kenpachi's in how his transformed visually considerably between Pre-Urahara training and post.


    EDIT: It Changed Like This.








    Same basic shape; different details.
    Last edited by Terasiel; 04-16-2007 at 02:20 PM.

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    ^ It's was a big cleaver with cloth wrapped around it before...and it was a big cleaver with cloth wrapped around it after...

    How did it change?

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    Prior to the databook publication, it was still very much up in the air whether he had a shikai or not. This is because Zaraki doesn't say "this is my shikai" he says "there is no seal on my sword", which along with his generally mockery of the entire concept of sword releases and lack of knowledge of his sword's name made it completely open to interpetation whether he meant that he didn't have any release states or that his sword was already released.

    Adonai: It grew its blade back. Until he learned his sword's name, it was a giant cloth-wrapped hilt, with the cloth wrapping being from the straightjacket kido Tessai used on him, not a proper part of his sword.

    Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
    how do your powers grow?
    "With gloves and scars and silver stars
    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    ^ Wasn't the cross guard and the hilt were both exactly the same as it was before he went into the pit?

    I can't check since I don't have the chapter right now, but I'm pretty sure that that is what it looked like.

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    Oh, misunderstood what you were asking.

    When he got his shinigami powers back, his sword didn't change at all from its previous state. When he learned its name and it went into released form for the rest of the series, then it changed.

    Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
    how do your powers grow?
    "With gloves and scars and silver stars
    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    You mean from the moment it was called forth before Urahara could kill him.

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    But the point is that that wasn't his shikai, while what Kenpachi has is.

    It's big for the same reason that grand fisher's was big. You can even tell from Renji's comments about it, it's big, but it had no substance. It was still sealed at the time.

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    It had enough power to it to fight Renji's limited shikai form.

    Uryuu freaky, pale and geeky,
    how do your powers grow?
    "With gloves and scars and silver stars
    and swords that I shoot from a bow,
    yes, swords that I shoot from a bow."

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    It didn't crack in two, if that's what you mean, but neither did the one that he used against Ogihci the first time that they met. As for it wounding Renji, Ogihci is a lot stronger, but he didn't exactly try run himself onto the sword, logically, it should have cut had it made contact.

    And why does the power really matter? Do you think that that was his shikai? That's the question here.

 

 
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