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    MagoKui Heir is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinsee View Post
    both ichigo and kenpachi's sword are constantly released as in the form will not change, but kenpachi doesn't exactly have his shikai since he doesn't know the name of his sword. It's like ichido's shikai form is the big knife without a handle, but his actual shikai is his getsuga tenshou. So kenpachi's sword's shikai form is the jagged blade but he doesn't know how to use it's power, makes sense to me.

    His jagged blade doesn't have anything to do with being a shikai. If i remember correctly its like that because he doesn't take good care of it...

    Something to that effect was mentioned by either him or Ichigo during their battle.

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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    ^ I'm not really sure about that, it seems to be how it is naturally. Near the end of the SS arc he was shown waving it around at Ichigo and it still had the jagged edge, despite the fact that it healed from being broken in two pieces. I also do remember him saying something to the effect that it was due to wear and tear though.




    Constant release:

    http://mangarun.com/bleach/bleach_12...h-ch120-07.png
    Last edited by adonai; 03-16-2007 at 10:48 AM.

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    hotaruofmibu is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagoKui Heir View Post
    I'm sorry, but that makes no sense to me (the latter statement).

    Due to the owners spiritual force?
    Yes, Zaraki states it himself

    http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2aex6.png


    If it's too small to read he says:
    "The reason I don't seal my soul slayer is because my spirit force is so huge I couldn't seal it, even if I held it in as hard as I could"

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    First of all, ontopic, I wold really like to see urahara's shikai and bankai in action, as well as aizen's bankai. Also I would have liked to see a bit of that fight with Yamamoto.

    Now to head a bit offtopic, but in relevant to posts in this thread:

    If it's too small to read he says:
    "The reason I don't seal my soul slayer is because my spirit force is so huge I couldn't seal it, even if I held it in as hard as I could"
    Checking back on the manga, it says it slightly differently. Could be translation, or could be the wording was changed slightly for the anime. Chapter 109 Zaraki basically says theres no seal on his sword because his reiatsu is so great, the strongest seal wouldn't do anything. This could imply that the zanpakuto is constantly in shikai....or it could also imply that the lack of a complete seal is why his zanpakuto isnt the size and shape of your average zanpakuto, or other options I have not thought of. There is nothing confirmed here, just something on which to base speculation, which still leaves the question open.

    Yoruichi told Ichigo that his zanpakutō was a constant release type, it's not something that he just made up without any connection to the actual story
    Correct, however Ichigo had to know its name to release it before it stayed in that constant release state. Before that, it was just a regular unreleased zanpakuto....only Ichigo's was larger than normal due to his high reiatsu and inability to control its size. Also, in this same scene, Ichigo states Zaraki's zanpakuto is also the same type as his, always released. However, seeing how little Ichigo knows about zanpakutos at this point, this can be classified as an assumption on his part. Yoruichi never commented on this statement. Perhaps this second part is what leads some people to believe theres confirmation that Zaraki is in shikai? This was in chapter 120.

    Well, theres no evidence that positively confirms or denies whether Zaraki is constantly in shikai, however I feel the evidence leans toward the fact that his zanpakuto is unreleased. In every shikai shown, the shinigami must know the name of his zanpakuto. As Renji shows, you don't need to call out the name to release it, and as Ichigo shows, you can have it in constant release, however in both cases, they have to know the name to begin with.


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    It's like ichido's shikai form is the big knife without a handle, but his actual shikai is his getsuga tenshou.
    I have to disagree. His shikai is the hilt-less, guard-less blade. Getsuga Tenshou is an ability that he can use in shikai. Just like his Bankai is the black katana with the manji handguard, however he can use the hollow version of Getsuga Tenshou while in bankai. Look at Yumichika(squad 11 prettyboy). When he releases his zanpakuto, it just turns into that fan-of-swords type thing, however from there, he can still activate whatever that ability is to drain energy from his opponent.(too lazy to check if a name was ever stated)
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    adonai is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herodrink View Post
    Correct, however Ichigo had to know its name to release it before it stayed in that constant release state. Before that, it was just a regular unreleased zanpakuto....only Ichigo's was larger than normal due to his high reiatsu and inability to control its size. Also, in this same scene, Ichigo states Zaraki's zanpakuto is also the same type as his, always released. However, seeing how little Ichigo knows about zanpakutos at this point, this can be classified as an assumption on his part. Yoruichi never commented on this statement. Perhaps this second part is what leads some people to believe theres confirmation that Zaraki is in shikai? This was in chapter 120.

    It is an assumption on his part, however, it's also confirmed in the databook, which was the point of my post in the first place (to show that it wasn't exclusive to the databook). The two sources corroborate each other so there's no need to doubt what one or the other said.

 

 
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