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    Do you think a perfect hybrid (meaning a being who is one with both shinigami and hollow form without any internal nor external conflict of control or intentions) would open up a 3rd territory to explore?

    What im saying is you have the hollow territory and the shinigami territory. Arrancar and Vaizards are what break into them.

    But would a perfect hybrid open up a 3rd territory? (i dont know what it would be called, it prolly would be a new race). But essentially what i mean is that do you think it would reveal a 3rd and/or possibly 4th release?



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    It kind of makes sense. Not a hollow-shinigami, but not a shinigami-hollow either. A creature that is equal parts of each.

    But what would it look like? Because of course such a perfect hybrid would have to look really cool and suave, but it'd also have to appear equal parts hollow and humanoid. Which could open up some cool possibilities, I suppose...

    About the whole '3rd release' thing. I think that if there is a possibility for 3rd level release, anyone can access it. It's just that, however long it takes to get to bankai from shikai, it takes just as long if not longer to get to the next. So while anyone technically could develop it, it's safe to think nobody, or only a very few people, ever have.

    BUT. The hybrid's releases altogether would definately be interesting. See, shinigami releases are all 'sword', offense-based. And hollow 'releases' are 'shield', defense-based. For an example of what a hollow release would be, think of Grand Fisher (hollow mode). His 'release' would be the whole body-switch thing. It doesn't do anything to physically hurt his opponent, but it makes it harder for him himself to be hurt. Arrancar, from what we've seen, have releases that are still very defensive but can also attack. So a hybrid release would have to strike a perfect balance, becoming a 'sword-and-shield' model. So while they might not be able to do a 'new level' release any better than anyone else, their original releases would be a lot more all-encompassing and thus more powerful. Complete offense, complete defense. Which is why creating these perfect hybrids is such an important goal to everyone; they'd be pretty much invincible in every way imaginable.
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    Someone missed what the difference between a vizard and an arrancar is.

    A perfect hybrid is what Aizen's aiming for: a perfectly blended mix of hollow and shinigami. Their releases, as we've seen already, are armour upgrades. Arrancar use their shinigami and hollow sides by combining them, mixing their reason and their bloodlust and mixing their different powers. A vizard is not a hybrid, it's a symbiote. Both sides exist seperately, they do not merge their abilities like an arrancar does. That's why they have 3 different modes: shinigami, masked shinigami, and hollow. Arrancar do not have these modes, though their "perfection", the percentage of shinigami mixed into the hollow, varies by character.

    Logically the Orb would create an arrancar from a shinigami just like it would a hollow, since its purpose is to break down the wall between the two power types. This is what arrancar do, not vizards. Vizards keep the walls between their powers intact.

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    Arrancar releases are more armor because arrancar are, at this point, still much more hollow than shinigami. And the difference between arrancar and vaizard is arguable.

    Consider the fact that 'hollow form' might actually BE the 'release' for a vaizard. Or, it could just be a difference in the way the two types are trained. We haven't really seen the inner workings of any hollow minds yet, but arrancars may well have just as much internal conflict, only the opponent in this case is a shinigami. The Arrancar, in this situation, might just be taught to accept the shinigami part of them all the time, keeping the barrier down as much as possible instead of only when they need the other part of their powers.
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    Why do you keep saying Hollows have defensive releases??? Why??? Theres nothing defensive about Gantenbien, Dordonii, Shawlong, Illfort, Nakim, or plenty of others. Their releases are as varied in style as any shinigamis.


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    They aren't strictly defensive, but I think he's talking about the way their releases upgrade their natural armour.

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    a third type would suck.
    there are already enough unanswered questions about vaizards and arrancar.
    explaining the perfect hybrid would take another manga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erachima View Post
    They aren't strictly defensive, but I think he's talking about the way their releases upgrade their natural armour.
    Show me a hollow with armor. And dont say Volcanica because the damn thing spits fire. All they have is their skin. No release yet has been shown to upgrade that. Chiruchi used her scales for defense but quite simply explained what they were really for emphasizing the vibrating for cutting purposes.
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    Volcanica, Del Toro, Golondrina's first form, and Draga have all been armour and weapon in one. The remaining releases have also incorporated armour to a lesser extent. Every single arrancar release shown has been armour of one type or another. This is not to say that the releases do not give them increased offense, but they are rather like Chad's arm: a piece of grown armour that is also a weapon and powerup.

    So while they may not be defensive in the traditional sense of just blocking damage, they are all armour.

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    yeah. uh... not really. thats like saying a zanpakuto is a shield because it can block attacks. Del Toro, Volcanica, and the others were shown to have exceptional attacking capabilities, and near to none defensively. Volcanica was the most defensive looking and thats only because Ikkaku cut the shit outta it and nothing else.... for the sake of argument if you look at it objectively what else would the arancarr use to defend themselves now that their sword is part of their body. They HAVE to use their bodies to defend against a strike, but its not armor their defending with their defending with their actual selves. This is why I think KT gave them the steel-like skin, because without it and without a sword they are sorely lacking on the defensive end. This is also why I think Ikakku was so well suited for fighting them since he is pure attack - they cant defend themselves against his raw power.


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