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    MagoKui Heir is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Question Imperfect Hogyoku = Imperfect Hybrid => Theory

    Do you think an imperfect hyogyoku (not fully awakened) creates an imperfect hybrid? Maybe it goes like this:

    Ichigo is a perfect hybrid. He obtained his powers naturally.
    The Vaizard group may/may not be perfect, we dont know how they obtained their powers.

    We've seen that Ichigo can do a cero, ban kai, and can go full hollow with a hole in his body.

    We've seen the Arrancar can do shikai's but we dont know if they can do ban kai. We also know they were created by an imperfect hogyoku.

    We know a shinigami with ban kai after a couple of years is at the height of his abilities ie a perfect shinigami. (not to be confused with pure).

    We know a Vastoorode is a hollow at the height of his abilities ie a perfect hollow (not a pure hollow).


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    My theory is that maybe an imperfect hogyoku breaks the barrier down in an imperfect manner. Most likely the amount of the barrier (between hollow and shinigami within a being) it breaks down is proportional to how awake it is. So if its 50% awake then we see a 50% hybrid. This would explain how we pretty much see Hollow Society. We see lower class arrancar with no zanpakutou. Then we see some with a general zanpakutou. Then we got some with a shikai.

    So maybe (as stated before) a fully awakened hogyoku used an a hollow will create an arrancar that has the potential to reach ban kai and MAYBE he has a zanpakutou spirit that can teach him more about his ban kai and its abilities.

    The reason i think Aizen hasn't used it on himself yet (if indeed he hasn't) is because he needs it fully awakened so that he may be a perfect hybrid and the path to Vastoorode will be available. What do you think?

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    nobody was made by an imperfect hougyouku,didnt ya read that chapter where aizen staes how he can use hougyouku's full power?
    chapter 229?
    i guess aizen will wait for more power before he approaches the vastrodes.
    imperfect hougyouku=>imperfect hybrid=>imperfect theory.
    no offense.

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    Yeah, it was at full power.

    And the release isn't shikai, it's called resurrección.

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    [both images are from chapter 229...]

    Now please give me your opinions (put some intelligence into it this time) on my theory.

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    Side Note: on a later page, Aizen mentions that if it TEMPORARILY fuses with a person who has double the reatsu of a captain, the hogyoku will INSTANTENOUSLY exert power equal to that of a fully awakened hogyoku. Of course, this isn't the same as a naturally fully awakened hogyoku which must be why we still see weak and not so weak arrancar running around. It could also be why Aizen hasn't used it on himself, gin, and tousen yet (as some have stated in other threads). But the hogyoku for a fact, is not fully awakened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagoKui Heir View Post
    Little respect is given to those who speak without thinking.
    Hmm? Good luck with that I guess.


    Quote Originally Posted by pocketmofo
    ウルキオラ:・・・崩玉の覚醒状態は?
    Ulquiorra: …What is the hougyoku’s awakened status?

    愛染:予定通りだよ、SSにとってはね。当然だ、崩玉を直接手にした者でなければ判る筈もない 。そして恐ら く、崩玉を開発して直ぐに封印し、そのまま一度として封を解かなかった浦原喜助すらも知るまい 。
    Aizen: As expected, at least as far as SS is concerned. It’s natural that someone who hasn’t been in direct contact with it wouldn’t know for certain. Even Urahara Kisuke wouldn’t know as he sealed the hougyoku soon after creating it and never removed the seal once.

    封印から解かれて睡眠状態にある崩玉は、隊長格に倍する霊圧を持つ者と一時的に融合することで 、ほ んの一瞬、完全覚醒状態と同等の能力を発揮することをね。
    Aizen: The fact that the hougyoku, in it’s dormant state after being unsealed, when it fuses with someone with higher than captain-level reiatsu it can release nearly its full power for just an instant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djudge Mk. III
    Ulquiorra: ...How has the Hougyoku's awakening progressed?

    Aizen: All is as Soul Society had hypothesized. No one would know for certain since firsthand observation of the artifact is quite limited. Even Urahara Kisuke himself would be reduced to mere extrapolations given how quickly he sealed this after creating it.
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    Translation Notes: Additionally, Urahara never unsealed the Hougyoku for any reason afterward, electing to stash it away in his infamous Rukia-Gigai-begone plan.
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    Aizen: However, it would seem that the Hougyoku can be used while in a state of hibernation post-unsealing. By leeching onto Captain-level reiatsu, it can momentarily unleash its full potential.
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    Translation Notes: If you've put two and two together (this line and the lines just before it), Aizen can use the Hougyoku to at or near it's maximum threshold. While he can't produce an entire legion of troops en masse, he can most certainly baptize full-strength Arrancar one at a time using this shorthand method.
    __________________________________________________ _______________


    At least one arrancar was created by a full or nearly fully powered Hougyoku.

    As for the release, like I said it's called resurrección.

    There's no evidence yet for a second release, especially considering the nature of the release; bankai releases the true form of the zanpakutō and resurrección reveals the true form of an arrancar (which seems to be that of a hollow). It's even called the "true form" by Gantenbein this past chapter.

    There's no reason to expect a second release (if you're expecting it to parallel bankai at least). It could happen but at this point there is no evidence for it.

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    I think what you're saying makes sense. I might be missing something, but it seems pretty obvious to me; the less perfect the tool, the less perfect the product that can be created with it.

    Like... if you try to cut down the wall between 'hollow' room and 'shinigami' room with a sledgehammer... you'll make a hole that you can get through, but there's still gonna be peices of wall left standing. But if you did it with one of those big, heavy-duty demolition trucks...
    Why So Green And Lonely? We Are Accidents Waiting To Happen.

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    Whats sad Adonai is that it seems you COMPLETELY skipped the Side Note at the bottom of my post where i addressed what you've posted...

    El Gus, you're analogy is exactly what i mean.

    I just had another thought. Do you think a person can use the hogyoku on himself...? From the way that Aizen used it, it doesn't seem like you can. He said it himself that you need double the reatsu of a normal captain in order to fuse with the hogyoku and release its full potential. Now if you can't use it on yourself, it would explain why himself, gin, and tousen aren't vaizards yet (not confirmed). Because he would have to wait for it to naturally fully awaken so that others with less than double captain reatsu can use it on him and he becomes a Vaizard.

    In other words: Aizen wont turn Gin/Tousen into Vaizards yet because there is no way to turn all 3 of them into Vaizards in the order that would keep Aizen the strongest and thus in charge.

    If he uses it now: (assuming the hogyoku can't be used on yourself)
    He gives it to Tousen to turn himself (aizen) into a Vaizard. He is incomplete since tousen doesn't have double captain reatsu. Aizen then fuses with it and turns Tousen into a Vaizard who is complete. Tousen ends up stronger. Chain of Command is at stake.

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    He turns Tousen/Gin into a Vaizard so that they'll have double captain reatsu. Then he trusts* them to turn him into a Vaizard as well. (all of them end up complete) The option for Tousen/Gin to turn on Aizen is now available.

    So what i think will happen is that when the hogyoku fully awakens naturally, Aizen will give it to tousen to turn himself (aizen) into a vaizard since now double captain reatsu isn't needed. Then he turns Gin and Tousen into vaizards, thus chain of command is maintained.

    Its speculation of course...but what do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagoKui Heir View Post
    Whats sad Adonai is that it seems you COMPLETELY skipped the Side Note at the bottom of my post where i addressed what you've posted...
    No, I did see it see that.

    There was a reason those lines were included, the hougyoku can be fully awaken for a time, and there are arrancar that were created in that manner (with no evidence yet of a second release).

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    Fair enough, but with what you provided i think that would explain why aizen, gin, and tousen might not be vaizards yet. What do you think? Is it plausible?

    It seems to make sense but do you recall any other way of the hogyoku being used? The only way i can remember is that the target is within some sort of glass cube with a part cut out near the forehead where the hogyoku sits.

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    hmmm well the more the series progresses the stronger the new opponents are ( the little kid) meaning as it is realeased it makes stronger products. Aizen might just be waiting for that. asis said 50% power 50% power ( or full power but for very short amount) so aizen wants 100% power indefineltly. my opinion.

 

 
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