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    MagoKui Heir is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Cool Ex-Espada vs Espada: Right In Front of Our Eyes

    Here's my theory on why Ex-Espada and Espada were truly seperated:

    So far we've seen what is now called Hollow Society. They are organized and pretty much mirror Soul Society with a few twists. While Soul Society has an Assassination Squad (that secret squad under soi fon), Hollow Society has a "Death?" Squad. While Soul Society has 13 captain spots with 10 filled....Hollow Society also has "13" captain spots with all filled. [you've got 10 espada with 3 vaizards that are in charge of em]

    So if they "hollow" captains pretty much mirror the "soul" captains...what would be the reason that ex-espada exist? We obviously can't tell any differences in physical characteristics. Their personalities maybe but i dont think thats really a factor. It's obviously in power. So my theory is:

    The Ex-Espada can be thought of as Vice-Captains. They are strong but are not as strong as the true Captains or Espada. Why? Because they lack BAN KAI. {excuse my attempt at suspense, lol}

    Anyway yeah, IMHO, The espada are of course stronger reatsu wise, but i do believe they have Ban-Kai's...at least the top 5 gotta have em. Seems pretty obvious to me...What do you guys think?

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    Interesting idea. I don't think that as far as orginization goes, 'vice-captains' would be a good comparison for the expada, but as far as strength goes you probably have something. And as far as the bankai idea goes...

    ...we've seen that the Arrancar version of shikai is usually more about body than sword, pretty much the opposite of the way shinigami shikai are. Which presents an interesting question about how arrancar bankais would turn out. MOST of the shinigami bankai we've seen have also been weaponry-type effects, so perhaps arrancar bankai might be armor of some sort?

    Whatever. I know most of what I just said is gonna be proved bullshit, but... I just used the word "expada" for the former espada. I think that's pretty clever, and I'm proud enough of myself for it to hold through for whatever flaming is to come.
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    interesting, not that we know if the three captains are vaizards at all, idea

    however i don't think they'll get a bankai until teh hougoyuoku matures

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    I don't think Tousen, Aizen and Gin are vaizards. If they were won't you think that they'd say something to the espadas. Grimmjaw was surprised as hell when Ichigo brought forth the mask, didn't seem like he knew anything about it.
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    I agree, I don't think Aizen would be short sighted enough to use an iperfect hygouku on his top subordinates (This is the reason why I don't think any of the espada are Vastrodes).

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    Well we have absolutely no clue how the vaizards got the hollow powers. The only known way is how Ichigo got his, and it's hard to tell how many people know about Urahara's three tests. I'm sure Yorouichi knows, but Aizen might not know, and if Aizen doesn't know I'm sure Gin and Tousen don't know either. Also I know Aizen knew that a shinigami could gain hollow powers, but I don't think that he knew of people who had actually gained them or he was playing dumb in front of all his subordinates.
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    I'm sure Aizen didn't want to try to the risk of becoming a hollow or losing his shinigami powers. Keep in mind that ichigo had to lose his Rukia power source. but it wasn't a big deal because he had his own. with aizen tho, i dont think its that easy.

    And we dont know for sure if aizen, gin, and tousen are vaizards yet. Im sure they aren't and im also sure they will be in the future (which is what i was referring to in my first post). Also, grimjaw is hardheaded against everyone, thats just him. he disrespects authority all over the place.



    Here's another thought: Releases seem to work in this manner...

    Shini Shikai: Sword Changes
    Shini Ban Kai: Body Changes/You "summon" something to control

    Hollow Shikai: Body Changes
    Hollow Ban Kai: - see a pattern?-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina View Post
    True, and grimmjaw was rather more than keen to throw down against tousen (the obviously weaker of the 3) so he mustn't have his mask yet.

    What i dont understand is, the vaizards ichigo trained with obtained hollow powers through forbidden arts... a smart guy like aizen could do that himself no doubt... So wouldnt he have done that already? i mean if the hyougoku isn't necessary then why not?
    Possibly it makes a better Arrancar/Vaizard than the forbidden technique method. And of course they may not actually know what the forbidden method is.

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    so I must be the only one who thinks Tousen is stronger than Grimmjow? Because mind you he cut off his goddamn arm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    so I must be the only one who thinks Tousen is stronger than Grimmjow? Because mind you he cut off his goddamn arm.
    Okay this is a really rough example on the fly, if I think of a better one I'll post it. First off I too think Tousen is stronger then Grimmjow, but not because he cut off his arm.

    I think the people who feel Grimmjow is stronger if thinking of that situation as Grimmjow as the child and Tousen as a parent (the mother). Sure Grimmjow is stronger but hes not gonna knock his mom out...especially with dad standing right there (Aizen).

 

 
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