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    Quote Originally Posted by MagoKui Heir View Post
    Shini Shikai: Sword Changes
    Shini Ban Kai: Body Changes/You "summon" something to control
    Nonono. Shinigami releases always change Sword. It tecnically Zanpakto releases, not Shinigami's.
    So, if Arrancars'd have second release, it'll change their body.

    BTW, Hollows don't have any release.So it is logical for Arrancar to have only one release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    so I must be the only one who thinks Tousen is stronger than Grimmjow? Because mind you he cut off his goddamn arm.
    I think that too and not just because he cut off his arm. I mean Tousen has shikai, bankai, kidou and Aizen. Grimjow has his strength (which is inferior to Tousen's because be should've been able to protect his arm if he was stronger) and his release which for most arrancar seems to be more power which would quickly lose due to the lack of senses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 000_ View Post
    Nonono. Shinigami releases always change Sword. It tecnically Zanpakto releases, not Shinigami's.
    So, if Arrancars'd have second release, it'll change their body.

    BTW, Hollows don't have any release.So it is logical for Arrancar to have only one release.
    Shinigami bankais are, like I believe you were trying to say, technically 'sword' techniques. Even if they are not actually the sword, they're a weapon of some sort that the wielder is obtaining, as opposed to the 'body' techniques of the arrancar.

    And as far as the 'hollows have no release...' thing...

    Well, it's like this. Regular pluses have no release either. Regular shinigami have one release, regular arrancar have one release. Since superstrong shinigami then have a second release... it's a logical assumption to say the espada, or at least some of them, have a bankai-level release.

    And personally, I think Tousen is DEFINATELY stronger than Grimmjow. It's like what Drop said; Grimmjow's the punk-ass rebellious kid. He can act as tough as he wants, but his parents know they can handle him if he really oversteps the line.
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    I wonder if Tousen *is* stronger than Grimmjaw - they could be around the same level. Nevertheless, he's in a position of power. It could be that Grimmjaw doesn't know what powers Tousen has; the fear that Tousen is hiding some kind of ability that could easily destroy him could be a factor in not attacking. He wouldn't dare try because of their uncaring attitude, as it's clear that Aizen doesn't care enough about the Espada to spare their lives. (I think.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagoKui Heir View Post

    Here's another thought: Releases seem to work in this manner...

    Shini Shikai: Sword Changes
    Shini Ban Kai: Body Changes/You "summon" something to control

    Hollow Shikai: Body Changes
    Hollow Ban Kai: - see a pattern?-


    The only thing I really want to say to that is: Ikkaku. Wait, wait...Byakuya. Wait...Wait...Wait... *insert 8-Bit Theater here* ... Kumamura.

    Was a good try though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terasiel View Post
    The only thing I really want to say to that is: Ikkaku. Wait, wait...Byakuya. Wait...Wait...Wait... *insert 8-Bit Theater here* ... Kumamura.

    Was a good try though.
    What? could you at least try explaining yourself...

    Depending on logic, you could be SUPPORTING what im saying...


    What i am essentially saying is that shini shikai's seem to focus more on the sword while 2nd release seems to focus on something more external. I'm suggesting that maybe hollow 2nd release focus more on the sword itself. We dont really see them use the damn thing anyway, so it would make sense to me.

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    That's assuming hollows even have a 2nd release.

    Are we tallking about arrancar or hollows?

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    ok, im lazy.

    any releases are arrancar and vaizard.

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    I dont remember where but somewhere in the past chapters it said that these hybrids dont have bankai. So the espada have it either. Only the vaizards, who were shinigami first, have bankai. I believe when the hogyuoku (or whatever) is perfected, that is when the hybrids Aizen make will have bankai.
    And think about it, bankai is something very hard to attain, even for shinigami themselves, so i dont think it is possible for the espada have bankai. WHen they release there shikai form they make it seem so grand so it must be their only form. The reason why the ex-espada were kicked out was because they either got beaten by the new espada or AIzen shunted them aside to make room for the new, stronger espada.

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    I feel the same was as the topic creator. an arrancar is a hollow that gains the abilities of a shinigami. what are the abilities of a shinigami? shikai AND bankai. it only makes sense for them to have both. having no transformations then gaining the powers of something that has two means you should have two not one.

    i think for tousen to be stronger than the espada he needs to be a vizard, I mean he was beaten by kenpachi with relative ease, unless he was holding back. plus his bankai isn't all that great compared to some of the others.

    I would really like to see gin become a vizard just because he would look cool, his face is already freaky (to me at least) and i think he would just be awesome with a hollow mask flying all over teh place shooting his sword at people.

    about the ex-espada=vice captain thing. I think it's a good comparison strength wise (compared to their respective higher ups, an ex-espada is much strogner than a vice captain) but in actual society the ex espada are outcasts.

    now assuming the espada do have bankai, what would it be? I think it would be an even more transformed body. I doubt they will become giantic like grand fisher was, but more animalistic and all around destructive, along with a great increase in physical strength and speed as well.

    heres a slightly off-topic question. do you think that some of thwe vizards that trained ichigo can do bankai? I don't personaly think so, as it would make them leagues above the shinigami captains. In my personal opinion the vizards only know how to control their hollows and do the initial release of their zanpakuto. some members may be like renji and be very close to bankai and achieve it in teh midle of their fight or something.

 

 
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