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    animalia is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Default Bleach: A Subtle Critcism Of Japanese Conservatism?

    As you may know Japan is a very conservative society. It seems to me that Bleach is Tite Kubo-san's subtle criticsm of this conservatism. There are many examples throughout the series, but the one that strikes me the most is the conversation between Byakuya and Ichigo after their final battle. There Byakuya explains that when the execution order for Rukia came down he was conflicted between two promises he had made. When he had married Rukia's older sister, Hisana, who was a commoner he had broken SS law. On Hisana's deathbed she asked him to adopt and protect Rukia as a sister, which he did which was effectivly breaking the law a second time. As a result he made a promise to his parent's grave that he would never break the law again. As a result of the conservative thinking and promise on his part, and SS's conservative laws when the order for Rukia's execution came down he chose the promise to his parent's and did nothing. After hearong this story Ichigo said that if he was in Byakuya's place he would still try to fight against the rules. Byakuya then commented that his blade was destroyed by Ichigo's [LIBERAL] one.

    Still the people in SS are not portrayed as evil, just so Conservative that they connot see that the rules sometimes need to be bent, or even broken.
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    Hey you are talking about a Country that didn't even write its own Constitution. It was written by another Country(american drafted). It's been 51 years and they still haven't change it nor rewrite it. The American army is practically their army, they didn't even have anti-missile protections, they had to borrow one from the US army after the whole North Korea test.

    I for myself think its really weird for a country with the 2nd biggest Economy in the World to not have an army and be content to live the way it was setup by the us after WWII.

    So you can say that Japan's Conservatism is an after-effect of losing in WWII.
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    Subtle? I wouldn't say subtle...

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    The conservatism isn't really an effect of WWII, It's more of an effect of the nukes that kicked their asses ending World War II. Without those, I doubt they'd be putting up with the US's things... and that, by now, they'd have their own army, programs, and what-have-you.
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    its better that they don't ^^. Armies suck. But without getting into a conversation about how bleach relates to moedern geopolitics. I would say the only conservative people in all of Bleach are Byakuya, Fox Head, Tousen, ol' Yama. Hardly enough to constitute the nation of Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    The conservatism isn't really an effect of WWII, It's more of an effect of the nukes that kicked their asses ending World War II. Without those, I doubt they'd be putting up with the US's things... and that, by now, they'd have their own army, programs, and what-have-you.
    The conservatism existed even back then, and was a cause of WWII. The nationalistic and militaristic led to the huge miltary buildup in Japan. Also, the Nationalism was a result in huge pride in themselves as apeople, and their belief that all other cultures, even other oriental ones like the Chinese were inferior led to awful treatment of POW's and war crimes that rivaled those of Nazi Germany. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimesBefore you say this is not a form of conservatism, consider the American South during the 1960's. Many of the people there that were for segregation were considered conservative back then, even though they no longer are considered just by any side of the political spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dropthesky View Post
    its better that they don't ^^. Armies suck. But without getting into a conversation about how bleach relates to moedern geopolitics. I would say the only conservative people in all of Bleach are Byakuya, Fox Head, Tousen, ol' Yama. Hardly enough to constitute the nation of Japan.
    Have you forgotten about their government? (previous government, anyway) and Urahara, Yoruichi, and possibly Isshin's opinion of Soul Society's governing system?

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    Even if this was a criticism of conservatism, it's nothing original. It has the same thing in pretty much all anime that has some degree of politicking, where conservatism views are seen as evil or uncharismatic and are beaten by a characters holding liberal views. Not that i have a problem with that.

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    And it's not the first time you see a mangaka or an anime director do this. I think its somewhat a Propaganda but the people don't seem to care.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    The conservatism isn't really an effect of WWII, It's more of an effect of the nukes that kicked their asses ending World War II. Without those, I doubt they'd be putting up with the US's things... and that, by now, they'd have their own army, programs, and what-have-you.
    but they wouldn't be an economic power if they did have an army. they put all their money in technology instead of putting it into an army. i doubt they could of recouped their lossess without the help of the us.

 

 
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