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    Oh, sensei, that was a great lecture. I cant wait next.

    And, is Bleach only field where you apply your analysis, or you will expand on some other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digital_Eon View Post
    Wow. You must have taken a lot of time to conduct that survey - and it seems very accurate; I can't think of anything that doesn't seem to be true, from the fan's point of view (as I have observed). Good analysis and it's well-written. ^_^ May I ask what your personal opinion on the best and/or most-likely relationships is, though?
    Thank you for kind words.

    When it comes to the most likely direction for bleach. I have actually written a fairly long essay about where I feel Bleach is heading. I won't write the entire thing here. Here is a link. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=40829. What I will say is that I truely feel that Kubo is taking us towards a love triangle. All of the signs are there. Why don't you read that then if you have anyother questions just let me know I would be happy to answer.

    As for who I personally like, i never tell, well I haven't told yet. I am the one who writes these long ass posts on theory of pairings etc. So I need to keep that a secret so people won't think my posts are bias. I must say though you aren't the first person to ask I do always wonder why people want to know my personal opinion. I have my favorite though everyone does.




    Quote Originally Posted by 000_ View Post
    Oh, sensei, that was a great lecture. I cant wait next.

    And, is Bleach only field where you apply your analysis, or you will expand on some other?
    Thanks alot! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I am actually thinking about doing a paper on Air gear but the chapters aren't current so we will have to see. I would also like to do one on Tenjho Tenge but I need to reread that one a few more times before I write anything on it. It is damn confusing. Why do you have a request?
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    Merry Belated Christmas everyone! I am sorry that his update has taken so long. My daughter over the Christmas break had to go to the emergency room. Let me tell you it was loads of fun. To top it all off my adapter for my computer broke. How gay is that? Seriously. Anyway, this raps up my little study. I have a information on the others but I think theses are the summaries that people really want to read. Anyway, I hope all is well and I will get a lot of feedback on this thread. I should just tell you how much fun it was to do this. Thanks for reading and commenting.

    Overview

    With this summary we rap up what I like to call the Fab 5 (potential there are three different love triangles between Rukia, Inoue, Ichigo, Renji, and Ishida admittedly the only one that has the potential of becoming an effective love triangle is Rukia/Ichigo/Inoue) There is a lot of unanswered questions when it comes to Ishida. As a character many fans feel that he’s not really come into his own. In relation to his potential as a love interest of inoue, truth be told, desire of this pairing appears to stem more from the hope for a Rukia/Ichigo pairing then a active attachment to Inoue/Ishida. In other words, this pairing seems to be a bi-product more then the focus. Arguments for this pairing, like the Renji/Rukia pairing, are again few and far between. In retrospect the arguments that exist for Ishida/Inoue are even less advanced then the ones available for Rukia and Renji. These arguments tend to be very broad in nature, focusing on a specifically why Ishida is a better match for Inoue then Ichigo rather then why Ishida’s and Inoue’s specific relationship dynamic is so appealing.

    Inoue’s Personality = Ishida’s Personality

    This argument doesn’t necessarily imply that Ishida and Inoue are similar in their individual characteristics. This is not the case; not even close in fact. This argument revolves around how Ishida, unlike Ichigo, seems susceptible to Inoue’s rather quirky personality. (Look at their interaction in Soul Society Arc for example) Fans of this pairing, and correctly I might add, point out that it’s important for a couple to have the ability to adapt and change in relation to one another. Fans of this pairing say time and time again we have seen Ichigo’s ability to change Rukia and Rukia’s ability to change Ichigo. This is very obvious. These same fans point out that we have seen no such thing for Inoue in relationship to Ichigo on EITHER side. (Meaning that Ichigo hasn’t really changed Inoue nor as Inoue really changed Ichigo in any way) We have seen however, Inoue’s affect on Ishida, though realistically this perceived change is more of a general feeling then something tangible that can be pointed to and categorized.

    Another reason that fans love this pairing so much revolves around fan’s visualization, and perceived negative results, of what would happen if there was an eventual relationship between Inoue and Ichigo. Ichigo is very abrasive in nature. He’s known for it. Fans of the Inoue/ Ishida pairing state that if ichigo and Inoue did get together that Ichigo would be constantly hurting Inoue’s feelings, maybe with even knowing it. Ichigo can’t help it. It’s part of who he is. These same fans often point to the early stages of the manga to show really how inconsiderate ichigo is of Inoue’s feelings. They refer to an early scene in the manga when Ichigo runs head on into Inoue and knocks her down, Ichgio being his classic self he just shrugs it off) Ishida, on the other hand, can read inoue with pinpoint accuracy. He is in fact so understanding he was able to discern exactly how Inoue is feeling by just watching her rather strained body language. (This is while Ichigo is fighting rukia’s brother in the SS Arc) There’s even more though, one of the main reasons that fans claim that Rukia and Ichigo are so perfect for each is their ability to see what each other needs and provide it. (Rukia snapping Ichigo out of his depression in the current arc is a great example) Ishida also exhibits this kind of advanced understanding in the already stated situation. Ishida perceives what it is Inoue really needs. What she really wants. What she is counting on. This of course is provided to us from Ishida’s monolog. What inoue really needs is for ichigo be alright. Ishida also exhibits maturity in the fact he realizes that there is nothing that he can do to help Inoue. That the only thing that can be done is to hope for Ichigo’s victory.

    Inoue and Ishida are equals.

    This argument again stems from a comparsion of ichigo and Ishida, or the relationship potential of Ichigo/Inoue and Ishida/Inoue. The fans that make this argument ask this simple question. Can people who have an “unequal relationship” have a truly healthy and long-lasting courtship? (The meaning of equal is often relative making this argument difficult but if you can come up with a functioning definition it makes the argument much more plausible) Answer: Yes, there are always exceptions to the rule, but it doesn’t happen very often. The empirical data backs this up. When people enter a relationship with a vast difference in their relative affection the components (the people in the relationship) hardly ever exhibit those characteristics that indicate a growing, health, long lasting relationship. Communication is especially difficult for these types of relationship. (And you don’t have to be a scientist to understand that communication is very important to the maintenance of a romantic endeavor) After the initial question the fans often follow up with a statement that most fans will agree with, Inoue and Ichigo are not equals. Ishida and Inoue however are. Why? Because Inoue doesn’t have a “superstar” complex when it comes to Ishida. In the eyes of Inoue at this time in the manga, Ichigo could really do no wrong. Strong, abrasive men often need a woman that is just as strong, if not stronger, and just as abrasive. These men need someone that will give them a good kick in the head when they derserve it. It has been shown that Ichigo is one of these people. The same fans also state that this is one of the reason that ichigo doesn’t see Inoue as a equal. This is something that she hasn’t been able to do. Ishida on the other hand, as was mentioned earlier is clearly attracted to Inoue and is both understanding and perceptive being able to determine what she needs, and when she needs. Furthermore, the only reason Ishida wasn’t able to provide what Inoue needed was because it revolved around ichigo. Fans often speculate that if Inoue didn’t have her fixation on ichigo that Ishida would be able to provide perfectly for all of Inoue’s emotional and romantic needs.

    It goes back to Inoue not being able to deliver what ichigo needs. Knowing but not being able to deliver. Many people feel that in Ishida was given a chance that he would “complete” Inoue.



    In this world of Beauties and the Greeks.

    This is the classic argument that people give whenever they see a really hot girl and not so hot guy. The interesting thing about Ishida’s (like Ichigo’s) situation is that much of his social discord is self-induced. It is been said time and time again that ichigo puts up barriers to hide how really messed up emotionally he is. There isn’t, however, much discussion on Ishida who probably has similar emotional trauma and defense mechanisms. Ishida has almost no relationship with his freaky father. He watched his grandfather “murdered” in front of him. And he lives in a world where he thinks he can’t trust anyone. In light of this analysis it maybe a little easier to understand where his cold, calculating nature comes from. Another thing to note is really how ambiguous ishida’s relationship is with his other classmates. Notice that though he is aloof and cold that he is easily approachable and willing to help out. Keeping all this in mind when fans thing about the prospect of a “nerd” getting together with a “beauty” it gives those same fans the warm glow we get when finally realize that the hero is going to win. Essentially the reason this variable is so popular is because it gives appeasement to the side of all of us who wanted someone that we feel was totally out of our league. (An analysis of Inoue’s position has already been given. It is understood where she stands. She is a diva.) Inoue getting together with ishida would defiantly fall into the realm of Beauty and the Greek. And who doesn’t want the Greek to win?

    There aren’t any real substantial arguments against ishida/inoue. At least there aren’t any that haven’t been given in pervious post. There are stupid ones like. “she is gay” or “he has glasses”, but those of us have at least a minimal amount of intelligence don’t give stupid arguments like this. There I decided not to include them in the results of the study

    Well boys and girls I would just like to thank very one who read and posted again. It was a lot of fun. I thought I would take this time to let you all know who it is that I personally like seeing that it seems like it’s up for controversy. Are you ready…………………





    Got ya!!!! Thanks again guys
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    In my opinion, Rukia and Renji are much more like brother and sister than anything, as are Ichigo and Rukia. Ishida and Inoue to me is ridiculous, just because of Ishida's own inability to let people in, and his own awkward-ness. Also, I would just like to point out that bleach is NOT a romance manga. It's a Shonen oriented action manga. People love to speculate about potential relationships, but if you expect kubo to go into an in-depth romance arc or something, you'll probably be disappointed. Orihime's admittance to her love of Ichigo was touching and had most bleach fans buzzing, but considering Ichigo was unconcious and that Orihime is probably to shy to admit what had happened, I'm not sure if will even be brought up between the two of them later. Whew. Okay, that's my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drello View Post
    In my opinion, Rukia and Renji are much more like brother and sister than anything, as are Ichigo and Rukia. Ishida and Inoue to me is ridiculous, just because of Ishida's own inability to let people in, and his own awkward-ness. Also, I would just like to point out that bleach is NOT a romance manga. It's a Shonen oriented action manga. People love to speculate about potential relationships, but if you expect kubo to go into an in-depth romance arc or something, you'll probably be disappointed. Orihime's admittance to her love of Ichigo was touching and had most bleach fans buzzing, but considering Ichigo was unconcious and that Orihime is probably to shy to admit what had happened, I'm not sure if will even be brought up between the two of them later. Whew. Okay, that's my opinion.
    I would ask you to explain the point of Inoue's confession then. Because as far as I can see that was pretty romantic Furthermore, It depends on your definition of romance. If you look at Rukia's and Ichigo's relationship that's about as romantic as you get.
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    I see what you mean. I don't mean to say that orihime confession wasn't relevant or important, I'm just not sure how Kubo, based on the personalities of the characters, would be able to integrate the confession into the story. But now that I mention it, I can see Aizen bringing it up later in front of Ichigo, I guess. I mean, I'm assuming that they were monitoring Orihime while she was meeting that 1 person. Maybe during the final confrontation. Every other part has always had someone asking Ichigo, "why do you want to save this person? Is she that important to you?" But I do disagree about the romantic relationship between Ichigo and Rukia. It seems so awkward all the time when they're together. But that's just my opinion. I would love for you to explaiun why everyone thinks that this relationship works. (Though I think you explained that in your other posts, so i'll just read those more thouroughly. I didn't read all of it)
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