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    _zet_ is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Default Iceringer, (small spoilers if you haven't kept up with the story)

    This is totally unimportant, but the hollow who took grand fishers mask off, is the hollow that ishida fought as soon as they got into hueco mondo(iceringer) , i'm a 100% positive, exactly the same one. Now that i read the old chapters again (first iceringer picture was vol 3, chapter 9, page 17)

    Iceringer now,


    Doesn't that mean Kubo Tite has had the arrauncar thing planned since damn near the beginning? Even if he only thought of that idea, and then made up all that stuff in between to make it fit, i'm impressed. (pardon my reaaaaly slow time in making this thread, liek three week old topic.)

    Anyways, that makes me wonder, was aizen making the arrancaur even way back then? If not thats the cause, was he a natural one? He's definetly the one that turned grand fisher into a "psuedo-arrancaur" though.

    Anyways here are sum more pictures, Is that other hollow/arrancaur Dee roy?

    I'm sure someone else has noticed these before, however i found no threads about them really. I wonder if we've seen any of the other hollows already hat are arrancaur now? Of course this isn't too important since dee-roy and iceringer both died.
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    chinsee is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    considering shinji's face popped up in one of the earliest chapters, I'm pretty sure has this arc planned since the beginning, maybe not fully planned with details, but the general idea must be in his head.

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    ghost305 is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    I never though that was Iceringer, i always though it was Deeroy or grimjaw. But good job on finding that out. It does support the Idea that there were arrancars before Aizen got the Hougyokou and went to Hueco MUndo.


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    Aznhuskarl is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by _zet_ View Post

    Anyways, that makes me wonder, was aizen making the arrancaur even way back then? If not thats the cause, was he a natural one? He's definetly the one that turned grand fisher into a "psuedo-arrancaur" though.
    Yes, Aizen planned it a long time ago before Ichigo met Rukia (even his father and Shinji knew the whereabouts.)
    If you check back around chaptesr 182 to 190, you'll see that Ishin is doubting about the sudden presence of those hollows {they were different and stronger.}
    According to the present condition, those hollows are only partially evolved to Arrancars. The grand fisher, Ice Ringer, and the other ones are just weaker newbie Arrancars (used by the Crumbling treasure at the first attempt.) In other words, the grand fisher is just a weak natural newbie Arrancar.
    If you have checked the recent chapters, Aizen won't care about the gillians and the weaker arrancars' quarrels and fights since he's about to finish the real transformation of a true Arrancar. One of his last goal is to create an army and obtain the full power of the Crumbling Treasure (with the Hollow and Shinigami powers.)
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    This is old but I think KT has an idea with how he wants everything to go and were on that railroad.

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    shinoryuu is offline Member Newbie
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    Quote Originally Posted by chinsee View Post
    considering shinji's face popped up in one of the earliest chapters
    Any idea what chapter that was?

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    chinsee is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    it wasn't in the story, but on one of those cover(spread?) pages where they show a lot of the bleach characters, i'd look for it, but i burned all my bleach files to a cd, and i'm not really sure where the cd is right now.

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    I thought it was obvious that all of this had been planned since the begining. i don't know that all of it was aizen's doing but he was somewhat involved and as to what he is, i would say that he is like ichigo and the vizard. there is no other way that i can think of for him to be as powerful as he is. illusion is one thing but aizen's power definitly goes way beyond that. i'm guessing he is a kind of vizard, possibly the first which is why the vizard know so much about him.

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    El Gus is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    mgt,hgltfhml. I've already said this in another thread, and to argue about it here too would be too distracting. But basically, I think that Aizen's been making arrancar for a helluvalong time, it's just that the hougyoku allowed him to do it more efficiently.
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    Of course he has, it's pretty much been said explicitly that he's been trying to infuse shinigami powers into hollows and vice versa for a long time. I can't remember where, but I seem to remember Aizen taking credit for making that strange hollow that possessed Kaien and his wife, (and others before it).

 

 
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