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    MagoKui is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Question Vaizard vs. Arrancar - The Soul Within

    I have this thought floating in my head and it might be difficult for me to explain in a simple manner but hopefully your own intelligence can fill in the gaps for me.


    First I'll lay out some facts:
    - A shinigami has a good soul/spirit inside of him
    - A Vaizard has a good soul/spirit inside of him as well as an evil soul/spirit (hollow) inside of him
    - A Vaizard has to subdue the hollow inside of him to keep him from taking over and doing evil things...
    - A vaizard has a mask; an arrancar has a sword
    - A zanpakutou has a soul/spirit which is why it has a name and must be called and understood for the power to really be used efficiently

    OK so now here's my inquiry.
    Do normal hollows have spirits inside of them? (whether they or hollow spirits like how a vaizard has or just simply evil spirits...)

    It would make sense for an Arrancar that has obtained Shini powers to have a zanpakutou soul inside of him since thats what a zanpakutou would signify...that you have a sword's spirit within you.

    So now if normal hollows DONT have spirits inside of them, why da hell do you turn into a Vaizard and get one...? Is the hollow inside of Ichigo an actual hollow or is it a hollow spirit that is normal amongst normal hollows just as a zanpakutou spirit is normal amongst normal shinigami. (since im saying zanpakutou spirit, maybe i should say mask spirit as well???)

    So now, does a shinigami ALWAYS have a spirit within him? Like before Rukia and Renji became shinigami...did they have a spirit inside them while they were normal Rukongai members...then as they went to the academy and developed spirits within them...?

    It was in another thread somewhere that a Arrancar might also have to force the shinigami powers out of the new shini soul inside him so i guess my main confusion is:



    Just as an Arrancar taps into shini-powers and gains the zanpakutou soul within him thats normal amongst shinigami, why do Vaizard who've obtained hollow-powers gain an hollow/mask(?) soul within them thats not normal (or maybe we dont know yet) amongst hollows? Are the souls inside Vaizards actually hollow creatures and can be manifested just like a zanpakutou at a certain stage or are they just hollow spirits that replace ur zanapkutou's spirit (like how anti-ichi pwned Zangetsu)

    [im wondering if the stronger Arrancar can manifest their zanpakutou spirits also...]


    So either I've found a weird plot hole or im just forcefully confusing myself.
    Aizen is gangsta for making everyone wear white.


    Tousen: "So what are we going to wear anyway? how do we tell each other apart from the shinigami?"
    Aizen: "I GOT IT....lets wear exactly what they wear...but make it WHITE!"
    Ichimaru: "OH SH*T, now THATS gangsta!"
    Tousen: "....even I wouldn't say that..."
    Aizen: "Loosen up Tousen...check this out...lets show him Gin!"

    Aizen/Ichimaru: "....BALLIN!!!!!...."

    Tousen: "... 0_0 ..."

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    narutohendrix is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    When I clicked on this thread, I assumed that this would be a theoretical battle between the two. So, I know pose this question: Who'd win in a fight, a Vaizard or an Arrancar?

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    Isn't that kind of like asking "who would win in a fight, a Shinigami or a Hollow?" The Arrancar all have different levels of power... and I think it is fairly safe to assume that the Vaizards do as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narutohendrix View Post
    When I clicked on this thread, I assumed that this would be a theoretical battle between the two. So, I know pose this question: Who'd win in a fight, a Vaizard or an Arrancar?
    How about you don't try to hijack other peoples threads?


    So either I've found a weird plot hole or im just forcefully confusing myself.
    you're confusing yourself.

    So now if normal hollows DONT have spirits inside of them, why da hell do you turn into a Vaizard and get one...? Is the hollow inside of Ichigo an actual hollow or is it a hollow spirit that is normal amongst normal hollows just as a zanpakutou spirit is normal amongst normal shinigami. (since im saying zanpakutou spirit, maybe i should say mask spirit as well???)
    Hollows have souls, but they are trapped by the animal instincts of being a hollow. Hollows do not turn into vaizards. When a shinigami becomes vaizard he is unlocking hollow powers which overruns the zanpaktou spirit. and actually becomes the zanpaktou spirit this is evident in the conversations ani-ichigo has with ichigo.

    You shouldn't say an arrancar has a sword and vaizards have masks, that will confuse you. vaizards have swords as well obviously. and arrancars have masks, broken half ones that are always on. We haven't seen any hollows really indepth, so we don't even know if they're zanpaktous have their own spirits. We don't know where arrancar zanpaktous come from.

    So now, does a shinigami ALWAYS have a spirit within him? Like before Rukia and Renji became shinigami...did they have a spirit inside them while they were normal Rukongai members...then as they went to the academy and developed spirits within them...?
    I'm of the opinion that they merge with the zanpaktou spirit only after they receive the zanpaktou, otherwise how could they right? Take Zaraki, he dones't have a zanpaktou spirit inside him.

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    Macro_73z is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    U think too much dude :P just chill n c wat happens

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    ghost305 is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    U stole the words right out of my mouth. I bet Kubo himself doesn't know. thats how complicated this is.


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    chrono17 is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    that is an interesting question. if you remember, ichigo's hollow said that he and his zanpakuto were the same thing. and when ichigo's sprirt falters so too does his zanpakuto. this gives the impression that their souls are one in the same not contained within eachother. which means that part of ichigo's souls became his sword. thus when ichigo partially transformed into a hollow part of his soul became hollow. so the hollow within him is what he would be if he became a hollow. as for the arrancar's swords, i don't knnow but i guess it is the same thing.

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    Everybody is basically just chilling in their soul with their inverse-colored- self and their crazy-old-man zanpakuto self. Becoming a hollow or a shinigami means that you chill with one of them more than the other. And, when you accpet the last one into your little cicrle of buddies, maybe invite him to grab a drink with you guys, you become a vaizard or an arrancar.
    Why So Green And Lonely? We Are Accidents Waiting To Happen.

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    That's a pretty simple way to say it. :P
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    MagoKui is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Yeah...a pretty simple way to explain NOTHING...
    Aizen is gangsta for making everyone wear white.


    Tousen: "So what are we going to wear anyway? how do we tell each other apart from the shinigami?"
    Aizen: "I GOT IT....lets wear exactly what they wear...but make it WHITE!"
    Ichimaru: "OH SH*T, now THATS gangsta!"
    Tousen: "....even I wouldn't say that..."
    Aizen: "Loosen up Tousen...check this out...lets show him Gin!"

    Aizen/Ichimaru: "....BALLIN!!!!!...."

    Tousen: "... 0_0 ..."

 

 
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