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    shaman-king is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Default Do aizen, tousen, and ichimaru have hollow masks?

    Ive been wondering this for a while because aizen and gang didnt get the hogyouku until rukia was saved so the havent been in contact with it as much as ichigo has. Im pretty sure the espada dont know about it because grimmjow had no idea what was hitting him.

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    Hmm thats true, it didn't seem like grimmjow knew had a clue about being a vaizard. Instead of saying OMG your a vaizard!!, he was more like wtf is this mask.

    But I don't think they(Aizen and co.) are vaizards yet. In any case we(the readers) don't know.

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    Why should they be?

    Ichigo could never have become a vaizard unless he hadn'y undergone that whole ordeal in the big hole. Where his 'inner hollow' revealed itself.

    I doubt any of them have been through something like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gus View Post
    Why should they be?

    Ichigo could never have become a vaizard unless he hadn'y undergone that whole ordeal in the big hole. Where his 'inner hollow' revealed itself.

    I doubt any of them have been through something like that...

    The whole point of hougyoku is creating Vaizards....


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    the vizards are probably experiments from urahara's time in ss which got him kicked out of ss. i bet only a few people in ss actually know details about this stuff since everyone was confused during aizen's trip to la noche. i wouldnt cross out the possiblity of the 3 captains being vizards too just yet. remember the 10 accanars are born pretty recently too so im pretty sure that they dont know about anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gus View Post
    Why should they be?

    Ichigo could never have become a vaizard unless he hadn'y undergone that whole ordeal in the big hole. Where his 'inner hollow' revealed itself.

    I doubt any of them have been through something like that...
    yes the whole point of the device is to turn a hollow into a shinigami (arrancar) and a shinigami into a hollow (vaizard) in order to get much stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Sky View Post
    the vizards are probably experiments from urahara's time in ss which got him kicked out of ss. i bet only a few people in ss actually know details about this stuff since everyone was confused during aizen's trip to la noche. i wouldnt cross out the possiblity of the 3 captains being vizards too just yet. remember the 10 accanars are born pretty recently too so im pretty sure that they dont know about anything.
    We already know why Urahara got kicked out, because he invented a gigai that can drain the spirit energy of whoever is inside. He invented that, to hide the hogyouku (which he also invented i believe) which he deemed to powerful for its own good. I don't think anyone knew about the hogyouku except Urahara, and Aizen apparently, so thats not why he got kicked out. But I just had a thought, since Urahara did invent the Hogyouku, chances are hes already a vaizard himself^^.

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    uruhara has flat out admitted he is, in the fight with yami, he said something like "it'll be a little while longer before i can do one as well(fast cero)" which means he's saying he's able to do hollow techniques, in which case he is either a vaizard or, its an ability of his soul slayer to copy techniques
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    First of all vaizards are VERY different from arrancars/espada

    Second of all, the hougyoku is NOT for creating vaizards it is used to remove the mask of hollows to transform them into ESPADA not vaizards.

    Third of all, vaizards get their power from when they turn into a shinigami and espada get their power from Aizen's horrible experiments

    Finally, if urahara was a vaizard then he would have a mask on and ichigo would not have trusted him and there is no way captains can be vaizards because they are raised in soul society and are never in the humanworld long enough to turn into a vaizard and they would also have a mask
    EX:http://groups.msn.com/-Bleach-/chapt...o&PhotoID=2917
    if you look at the top he is taking of his mask
    also another EX:http://groups.msn.com/-Bleach-/chapt...o&PhotoID=2918
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    Sounds like some of you guys are a little confused. True shinigami became vaizards after attaining hollow masks. True hollows become arrancar after they remove them. These are both done with the hogyouku. Thirdly there is no plausible reason that urahara would have pulled his mask out for ichigo. I personally find it impossible for urahara not to be a vaizard because he's the one that CREATED the hogyouku so if anybody has a mask HE DOES. And i thought he said that he broke down the components of the bala (bullet, the fast cero sir unforgiven was talking about) and knows how it works so therefore he can counter it before it happens. Yeah know that i think about it he basically told yami that he can see the reiatsu build off before he even shoots the attack. And Shinji said he knows all about aizen and the arrancar, and aizen isnt exactly slow on the uptake. Im pretty sure if he knows how to use the hogyouku on hollows he knows how to use it on shinigami.

 

 
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