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    Odd Eye is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    I say no. They probally got a powerup, but no vizard stuff.

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    Hmm?

    I always thought it was for taking off hollow masks. If they ever mentioned it could also bring OUT masks, that's definately a surprise.

    If it could make vaizards then, like has been mentioned earlier, people would KNOW about them. EVERYBODY seems to know about arrancar, but even arrancar themselves seem to be unaware of the existance of vaizards.
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    Unless I'm mistaken, the Hogyoku was quoted as "An object that nullifies the barrier between Shinigami and Hollow."

    That, by no means, means Hollow's only.

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    Oh, oh.

    Aight.
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    yea that would make no sense if Urahara just made it so hollows could get stronger...

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    and if you think about it aizen and co have no real reason to let the espada and hollows know that they have hollow masks. What would be the use of revealing your secret weapon? It would have been like showing them his bankai for no reason, and if the espada ever did try to revolt, ultimate trump card.

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    Hmmmm....imagine a vaizard aizen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lizard View Post
    Hmmmm....imagine a vaizard aizen.
    I REALLY want to see that. How the heck Ichigo would win though is beyond me.

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    what I don't get is how Ichigo became a vaizard without the hougyoku supposedly, that is, if that is what you need and there is no way because rukia was in soul society, unless urahara was also in soul society?

    *edit: NO WAY
    *edit 2: NO MOTHER F****** WAY
    Last edited by ultimgamer; 10-25-2006 at 03:04 PM.
    REALLY?!?!?!?!




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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimgamer View Post
    First of all vaizards are VERY different from arrancars/espada

    Second of all, the hougyoku is NOT for creating vaizards it is used to remove the mask of hollows to transform them into ESPADA not vaizards.

    Third of all, vaizards get their power from when they turn into a shinigami and espada get their power from Aizen's horrible experiments

    Finally, if urahara was a vaizard then he would have a mask on and ichigo would not have trusted him and there is no way captains can be vaizards because they are raised in soul society and are never in the humanworld long enough to turn into a vaizard and they would also have a mask
    EX:http://groups.msn.com/-Bleach-/chapt...o&PhotoID=2917
    if you look at the top he is taking of his mask
    also another EX:http://groups.msn.com/-Bleach-/chapt...o&PhotoID=2918
    Uh. No dude. Hyogyoku can make shinigami into Vaizards and Hollows into Arrankar as well. It essentially creates hybrids.

    And Urahara could easily just not want to pull out his mask (duh), just like we haven't seen the masks of the other Vaicards aside from Shinji and that one chick.

    Being in the human world has nothing to do with becoming a vaizard. Aside from using the Hyogyoku, it takes a specific "illegal method" for a shinigami to become a hollow hybrid. So you really don't know if any given captain has used those "illegal methods" so that they can surpass their limits as a shinigami. It's far from impossible.

    All it takes for a hollow is the removal of their mask, although that means nothing since even doing that may not make them into an espada or even a ranked arrankar, take Nell for example.

    Oh, and for your third point, you should go back and actually *read* the manga, because A shinigami that obtained the power of a hollow is called a vaizard, and a hollow that removed their mask and obtained the power of a shinigami is called an Arrankar. Espada are Arrankar that are especially strong: more specifically Arrankar that are created from Menos Grande. Vastorodes are an even more powerful class of arrankar.

    By the way, in that picture you showed us... That's his friggin hat.
    Last edited by hyren; 10-25-2006 at 03:14 PM.

 

 
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