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    Conejo is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krytha View Post
    Ulquiorra being introduced first lends nothing to him being the strongest. A lot of times, series artists will save the "boss" characters for a later exposition. Why would KT want to show off the strongest fighter at the very beginning, have him remark that Ichigo's reiatsu is stronger than his at its highest level and then leave? That's like... Oh look, I've been set up to be defeated - from chapter XX a million years ago.
    I agree but that's the only order that makes sense with the information that we have right now. It will very likely change once some other ranks are revealed.


    EDIT: In chapter 245 you see that Aizen sits in the front of the table. It makes sense that he's the leader in the front and his espadas in order after him. So it makes sense that his strongest espada would be next to him.
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    Disagree. The only order that makes sense? The other one (Yamii 10- Grimmjaw6, Ulq 5 - 1) makes sequential sense and is a logical formation. Unless seating at the table was completely random, it is as likely as any other formation. Why have Ulquiorra on one side and Grimmjaw on the other? Wouldn't you have your second strongest espada close to you as well and then work your way down?

    Secondly, there are two ends to a table. Having the top espada sitting at the other can make sense. The only female espada (who I believe it number 2 based solely on a seating arrangemeny) also said things that I think someone of that rank would say - upon hearing of the intruders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krytha View Post
    Secondly, there are two ends to a table. Having the top espada sitting at the other can make sense. The only female espada (who I believe it number 2 based solely on a seating arrangemeny) also said things that I think someone of that rank would say - upon hearing of the intruders.
    Seconded, she did act that way and the fully masked guy as #1 also makes sense since he's unique in his appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krytha View Post
    Disagree. The only order that makes sense? The other one (Yamii 10- Grimmjaw6, Ulq 5 - 1) makes sequential sense and is a logical formation. Unless seating at the table was completely random, it is as likely as any other formation. Why have Ulquiorra on one side and Grimmjaw on the other? Wouldn't you have your second strongest espada close to you as well and then work your way down?

    Secondly, there are two ends to a table. Having the top espada sitting at the other can make sense. The only female espada (who I believe it number 2 based solely on a seating arrangemeny) also said things that I think someone of that rank would say - upon hearing of the intruders.
    That's true. I overlooked the positioning, my mistake.

    Your theory also makes a lot of sense and the masked guy would be a good choice for #1. What the female said, treating Aizen with absolute respetc (aizen-sama) and correcting another espada makes it seem as if she's at a higher rank.

    However even though it makes sense it's not right to say either of us is right since we really don't know. They could just be scattered and Kubo placed Yammy and Grimmjow like that to confuse us. Or it was just a coincide.

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    There is only two possibilities there.

    1- Seating is random if the number of espada = power level.
    No reason for the 6th seat near Aizen, and then 5th on the other side of the table.

    2- Seating is random AND number of espada is just a number, with that the 6th espada might be stronger then the 3rd for example.
    Why is that?
    I've looked a few chapters back, they said the numbers are the order they WERE BORN. Not because they are strong or anything like that.

    If you think logicaly:
    1st one that born is almost a experimental version, while the 10th is alot more refined..
    Aizen is experimenting with the Hougyoku.
    So making the 1st one probally the weaker, but the 1st to be a true arrancar
    (not something like Grand Fisher)

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    Quote Originally Posted by irecinius View Post

    2- Seating is random AND number of espada is just a number, with that the 6th espada might be stronger then the 3rd for example.
    Why is that?
    I've looked a few chapters back, they said the numbers are the order they WERE BORN. Not because they are strong or anything like that.
    No, that's only for the numeros, for the espada it is by power, they mentioned this multiple times (espada is ranked by their numbers), why do you think someone else took over Grimmjow's number?

    If it was by birth order and his number was removed there's no need for a replacement #6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by אֲדֹנָי View Post
    No, that's only for the numeros, for the espada it is by power, they mentioned this multiple times (espada is ranked by their numbers), why do you think someone else took over Grimmjow's number?

    If it was by birth order and his number was removed there's no need for a replacement #6.
    Exactly. Besides, what he said was true then Yammy would be the most badass espada and we all know that's not true.

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    First off the espada are ranked by birth number. during the manga when hitsugaya taichou fights the arrancar (shen long are something like that)the arrancar clearly states that when aizen was creating the arrancar and espada the numbers had nothing to do with their ranking in power. The only numerical signifigance belongs to the espada in the fact that the were the ones that showed the most destructive power, the ten most powerful were to be called the espada (i forget the translation). Luppi could have easily been the eleventh strongest arrancar. And after grimmjaw got his arm cut off Aizen probably knew that he would have to replace his weakened general. Aizen brands the espada and arrancar when they are born so it only makes sense that he would have a way of erasing and recreating the number brand. After the espada/arrancar display their power for aizen they are then given a number based upon how strong they are,those that werent espada got all of the numbers after that. Im pretty sure that any espada or arrancar can challenge any epsada for their number rank, hence grimmjow killing luppi and regaining his place as number 6. To be an espada is more so an honor than anything else, seeing as they rule over the arrancar and basically all of the hollows in hueco mundo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrevels View Post
    First off the espada are ranked by birth number. during the manga when hitsugaya taichou fights the arrancar (shen long are something like that)the arrancar clearly states that when aizen was creating the arrancar and espada the numbers had nothing to do with their ranking in power. The only numerical signifigance belongs to the espada in the fact that the were the ones that showed the most destructive power, the ten most powerful were to be called the espada (i forget the translation). Luppi could have easily been the eleventh strongest arrancar. And after grimmjaw got his arm cut off Aizen probably knew that he would have to replace his weakened general. Aizen brands the espada and arrancar when they are born so it only makes sense that he would have a way of erasing and recreating the number brand. After the espada/arrancar display their power for aizen they are then given a number based upon how strong they are,those that werent espada got all of the numbers after that. Im pretty sure that any espada or arrancar can challenge any epsada for their number rank, hence grimmjow killing luppi and regaining his place as number 6. To be an espada is more so an honor than anything else, seeing as they rule over the arrancar and basically all of the hollows in hueco mundo.


    Uh, no.

    read that again, that was when #11 told Shiro that all of the numeros (though they weren't called that at the time) were numbered from 11 upwards (we now know the limit to be 99, though there might not be that many and at least some have died).

    The espada was different, they were ranked by their number, (#11 told this to Shiro). Read the chapter again if you don't believe what everyone is telling you, or get a better translation if that is what yours really say.

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    who is shiro and what chapter can i find this information in

 

 
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