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    thatkid is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    Ichigo had neevr been under the illusion of Kyogetsu, and Ichigo already knows how it works. I doubt he'd be stupid enough to look right at it when it's being released.

    He has never been under the illusion but one thing is too often forgotten...captains can release their shikai wityhout the incantation (Byakuya told it to Renji)...Aizen just has to hold the sword in his hands, facing an unsuspecting Ichigo and just release it sneakily...Ichigo wouldn't hear anything or be aware of it..then his ass gets pwned...

    and if the 'incantation' is shown in the manga it's simply for us readers to know what's happening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatkid View Post
    He has never been under the illusion but one thing is too often forgotten...captains can release their shikai wityhout the incantation (Byakuya told it to Renji)...Aizen just has to hold the sword in his hands, facing an unsuspecting Ichigo and just release it sneakily...Ichigo wouldn't hear anything or be aware of it..then his ass gets pwned...

    and if the 'incantation' is shown in the manga it's simply for us readers to know what's happening...
    Nah... remember someone said that Aizen gather all the vice captain and show them his shi-kai? It's was a water based 1... It's too Godly if he just release without letting the opponent knowing.. It should have a "The opponent have to see your shi-kai" rule so it don't sound so Imba.. And this hypnosis is just an ability.. I don't think he have to lie about his shi-kai.. he just have to keep his ability a secret..

    BTW.. what is an intoducing "Deus Ex Machina" into the plot? Forgive me But I have NO idea what it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XpenguinX View Post
    BTW.. what is an intoducing "Deus Ex Machina" into the plot? Forgive me But I have NO idea what it is...
    You need wikipedia, it mean god from the machine or god as a mechanic, referring to how ancient plays used to have gods as convenient plot devices to explain complex situations that don't always make sense.

    In the narutoverse it's sometimes referred to as "plot no jutsu", in general works of fiction it may be referred to as a plot hole.

    Basically it's what happens when the author pulls out some BS explanation from his ass.

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    Well, lots of things dont make any sense. Look at kenpachi, He is stronger than grimjow since he is not afraid of the blind guy that cut off grimjow's arm....and still Ichigo owned him.

    The hierarchy of powers is completly screwed up for me :/

    Well anyway, hopefully Ichigo will bring up some new power from his ass, he is the hero after all. I think his hollow is going to appear.

    See the obvious :

    - Ichigo became a Shinigami on earth where he learnt his basic skills with Uruhara.
    - He learnt his shinigami's advanced skills in SS.
    - He came back to earth to become a "Waizard" and he learnt his basic waizard skills there.
    - Now he is in the Hollow's place, what do you think he learn there ???? He already met a "gentle hollow" that can teach him in the last chapter...

    He cannot beat Aizen right now that s for sure. Bu eventually...

    About Aizen's shikai, I think Uruhara can figure it out, remember that he seems to have the power to analyse other's skills....

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    it would be prety interesting is urahara is invulnerable to Aizens shikai. If any character in Bleach woud be, id pick Urahara, he'll probably invent something to make himself invulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XpenguinX View Post
    Nah... remember someone said that Aizen gather all the vice captain and show them his shi-kai? It's was a water based 1... It's too Godly if he just release without letting the opponent knowing.. It should have a "The opponent have to see your shi-kai" rule so it don't sound so Imba.. And this hypnosis is just an ability.. I don't think he have to lie about his shi-kai.. he just have to keep his ability a secret..

    BTW.. what is an intoducing "Deus Ex Machina" into the plot? Forgive me But I have NO idea what it is...

    Yes it was Isane Koketsu in the scene where Unohana Taicho was facing Aizen and Gin...

    The water based was supposed to project false images and make the opponents fight among themselves

    Aizen's aim is to win, not to be fair...if he can sneak on someone powerful enough or stronger than himself to kill him he will do it

    and about the 'opponent need to see shikai' - what the fuck are you talking about? shikai have either abilities or effects on the surrounding area or on the user. Aizen's shikai accidentally happens to be something you have to see...it you face it backwards you won't SEE it, it affects the senses of the opponent, rather than the surroundings....

    and he actually LIED about his shikai...when he made believe it was something else other than the hypnosis...he forcibly knew that captains like Yamamoto, Ukitake, Kyoraku and maybe other VCs would be sensible enough to acknowledge any possible threat about him and get doubts anout hypnosis


    Zelrik

    hierarchy in power only happens if there is some kind of established ranking system...unfortunately SS ranking system works only in squads and not in the captains general assembly...Aizen on the other hand put a power hierarchy...so comparing Ichigo who does not fit anywhere in those 2 since he's human, to Kenpachi who's in SS and Grimmjaw who's on another power requirement level for ranking is just fucking plain stupid

    anyone putting theories like grimmjaw beat Ichigo but since Ichigo beat Zaraki Grimmjaw must be stronger than Zaraki is to be shot on sight after a huge fucking dildo has been forced up the ass...
    Last edited by thatkid; 10-13-2006 at 12:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatkid View Post
    Zelrik

    hierarchy in power only happens if there is some kind of established ranking system...unfortunately SS ranking system works only in squads and not in the captains general assembly...Aizen on the other hand put a power hierarchy...so comparing Ichigo who does not fit anywhere in those 2 since he's human, to Kenpachi who's in SS and Grimmjaw who's on another power requirement level for ranking is just fucking plain stupid

    anyone putting theories like grimmjaw beat Ichigo but since Ichigo beat Zaraki Grimmjaw must be stronger than Zaraki is to be shot on sight after a huge fucking dildo has been forced up the ass...
    Tsss, that's ridiculous. Power is Power, it's not like they were using fancy skills...Ichigo doesnt have a sword that ignore Kenpachi's spiritual force....Grimjow doesnt not have the special ability "beat Ichigo with one hand"

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    Power is power but skill and power are two difrent things.Kenpachi surely is Ichigos superior in skill,but Ichi is a classic Shounen hero who becomes strong when angry,desperate etc. and as Ulquoirra stated "at one moment he's trash and then the nest even more powerful then I" I doubt if he could win Ken if they were to fight again.

    And Aizen being the badass main villain that he is, Ichigo won't stand a chance until the grand final where fire and blood rains from the sky and angel choirs cry
    Nietzsche is dead
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    Ichigo still can't control his viazard power, he will be anialated if he fights aizen.

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    Ichigo was barelly standing when he got owned by Aizen..
    He had just used almost all of his reiatsu against Byakuya.
    His bones were broken (Inner Hollow said so)

    Aizen was.. well 100% there, easy to 'pwn' a 10% person..

    No doubt that Ichigo would lose of course, but sure he would give alot more trouble if he were 100%.
    Aizen did slash Ichigo, how the hell would he tell that: "I didn't slash deep enough"
    He used his fingernails?
    Might have been one of thoses too fast to see with the eye thing. =p

 

 
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