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    chado is offline Member Newbie
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    i think they have not taken any side yet. depends on how they use their powers
    I did it for the lolīs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dascu
    Vizards don't like humans. Vizards don't like Shinigami. Vizards don't really like Arrancar. They only helped Ichigo (and Inoue) because they have similar powers, and they feel related. Do they want to kill all humans or Shinigami or Arrancar? For the moment, they haven't said anything about that. Simply put, they're just loners.
    Who says that Vizards don't like humans?

    The Vizards only said that the Shinigami didn't like them because of their Hollow side, and the Hollows didn't like them because of their Shinigami origins. They never said that they hated anybody in particular themselves, although it's pretty obvious that they're against Aizen.
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    i think they are neutral!or maybe not....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki
    What do you mean? Shinji is Shinji..... He seem to be the boss because even if he get kicked around alot by hirako, other member still listen to him... andhe seem to talk alot.

    @whoeveryouare: What do you think of a guy who flee from SS, was head of science department, create a dangerous object that break the balance of the world also the one who tricked a female shinigami in using a harmful body to hide his invention result in criminal charge against her, and deceitful sent a bunch of poorly trained kids to the other world to do his bidding without a word of explanation, and worst of all sell second rate items at high price?
    That guy has Evil written on his face. You dont need to run around destroying the world to be evil, Kisuke could be worse than Aizen.
    I guess that makes Ichigo's dad evil...as well, given the obvious show of history and friendship between the two. -.- Anyways...besides that sarcastic comment...

    Vizards are just shinigamis who used the forbidden arts to obtain hollow powersn (someone else stated this cause...it was stated it in the manga itself). I doubt they're 'evil'. although they may have different agendas, at this point, everyone is going against Aizen and his arrancars.

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    law of manga

    There's a sense of humor in them and most of the time when that happens they are = good guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki
    That GF is only an experiment sent to test the new type strength. Nothing special. And Vaizard are Shinigami whose use forbiddent art to have the power of hollow. Ichigo probly got affected by the Hou Gyoku when he do Rukia but the others, based on what they said, it seem Vaizards are rare and they are usually individual/small group before they met.
    When the Hougyoku was within Rukia's gigai it was in a dormant state, as in, it cannot be activated or used to create hybrids, so Kisuke would not have used that to make Ichigo a vizard.

    Thus, Ichigo became a Vizard through the "illegal" methods that the other Vizards used to gain their hollow halves.

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    Ichigo became a vaizard because of the time it took him to transform into a shinigami. Whether that is how the other shinigami turned into vaizards is pure speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by break_dream7
    urm,i jz wanted to get this out of my head..are the vaizards good guys or the bad guys..because i got confuse with aizen's talking about vastroudous (correct me if i'm wrong) in episode i'm not sure but sumwhere after tousen cuts grimjaws hand. if aizens was not referring to them.what exactly he is talking about????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirusboon
    When was that said?
    It was shown and stated by aizen or his underling, I can't remember exactly. But it was definitely mentioned. I think it was some time after grandfisher was slashed by ichigo's father.

    And on vaizards, I think they are some kind of anti-hero or something. They were rejected by shinigamis cause they are different, or gain power by doing forbidden stuff, but they basically don't want aizen and his gang to win.

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    Vaizards right now cannot be termed by our rules good or evil and ultimately there is no such thing and its all relative. Aizen would see what hes doing as not evil yet SS would (etc). Currently the vaizards are not shown to have taken any particular side and i doubt they will and they are just like a splinter faction which tremendous powers. In the conversation between Urahara and Isshin, Isshin commented that the Vaizards has made their move - contacted with Ichigo which shows they Ishhin knows about Ichigo's situation - and he also commented that the current goal of the Vaizard's are unknown. However it can be said that they in some measure are against Aizen in helping Ichigo and Inoue develop their powers more fully but this doesn't mean they are helping the shinigami on purpose. It could just mean that they oppose what aizen is set out to accomplish and dislike his world and rulership more than they dislike the shinigami's. Think of it as a bonus for the shinigami.

    To become a Vaizard it was accomplished with former or ex-shinigami using forbidden spells/arts to obtain their powers. What these forbidden spells/arts are we currently have no idea. However i would imagine it cannot be the same method that ichigo obtained his. That is because the key difference is that ichigo though he had the potential to become a shinigami, he didn't have the ability to morph into one at will and he was already transforming into a hollow in an erratic order when he escaped when his chain of fate was cut. The problem for the shinigami is that they have the power already and they don't even have a chain of fate to begin with. The only flaw in this plan is that if they used the same sealing method byakuya did to ichigo on themselves but this may not work fully as ichigo was using rukia's borrowed powers.

    So there are currently 3 methods in circulation in become a shinigami-hollow or hollow-shinigami hybrid which are the use of the hougyoku, urahara's method and lastly the use of the forbidden spells arts which i feel Aizen and everyone else including the other researchers would've used before aizen obtained the hougyoku. Lets not forget aizen experimented before he got the hougyoku and so did others beside aizen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akatsuki
    What do you think of a guy who flee from SS, was head of science department, create a dangerous object that break the balance of the world also the one who tricked a female shinigami in using a harmful body to hide his invention result in criminal charge against her, and deceitful sent a bunch of poorly trained kids to the other world to do his bidding without a word of explanation, and worst of all sell second rate items at high price?
    That guy has Evil written on his face. You dont need to run around destroying the world to be evil, Kisuke could be worse than Aizen
    That statement is completely one-sided and let me present an alternative viewpoint on the actioins of Urahara Kisuke which i believe he intended. He became captain of the 12th devision and established the Science and Research Lab and therefore is responsible for the researching of new technology and ideas for the use among SS. In researching the outer limits of a shinigami he seeked a way to push beyond those limits and thus improve normal shinigami to perform beyond normal levels and thus continued the work of other researchers and came up with the hougyoku. Then he realised how dangerous it was, failed to destroy it so he made a gigai which erodes spiritual power which is supposedly the reason he got exiled - i feel theres more to it than just this. Then he chose to make one shinigami human rather than expose the world to the dangers of hougyoku - the classic argument of putting one person through eternal hell for everyone having eternal bliss only it ain't bliss but prevention of disaster.

    To couter your arguments his invention didn't result in a criminal charge against her it was ichigo's fault and he knows it as he caused rukia to be injured badly to the point she couldn't fight and had to share her powers with ichigo who took it all by mistake. Then the people he sent their were not poorly trained. FFS Ishida defeated a captain, Sado defeated everyone up to a captain - he didn't vs a vice-captain though, Inoue saved countless lives with her healing/barrier abilities, yoruichi is yoruichi and look what Ichigo achieved. Not to mention urahara only trained Ichigo and it was THEIR choice to follow ichigo and goto SS, he never forced them at any stage. He only shows them the battle goin on and let them choose. And would he giving an explanation make any difference at all. No it wouldn't have, ichigo still would've gone to save rukia and the others still would've followed ichigo. Urahara already addressed this issue with ichigo when he returned and they used the flying mat anyway.

    Urahara also doesn't sell second rate items. All of them are quality items and they aren't at a high price either - FFS we don't even know the prices. It was Ururu's fault that she took the soul dispenser candy from the rejected merchandiese box and not the ordinary one. If anything he tried to contact rukia again and tried to get it back and replace it and imo Kon is waaaayyy better than the normal one rukia uses.

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