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    Ichigo is the main character.

    He can do anything. I would NOT be surprised if KT gave him a release after Bankai.
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    it would be cool and perharp there should be upgrade on the captain side too ever since they are to battle the arankura-something-i-fogot-how-to-spell just the mere few giglian and the captain already down, even if ichigo was to have another bankai...defeat those true arankura thing and aizen wont be an easy task without somebody cut off some of the 20 brothers and Tousen as well as Gin.
    about Tousen, i'm not sure about his motive. he ran on about justice crap and help Aizen but in a sense...he seem to limit the action of the arankura so they wont go rampage and killing people unneccessarily...and though Aizen seem to highly appreciate him...would there be a chance that Tousen would betray Aizen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urahara64
    Hollow Ichigo suits the alter-ego perfectly, since he has no compassion. And Wichigo just sounds stupid.

    Anyway, go read my Urahara Bankai thread, it seems it might be possible to have two Bankai's. One through Urahara's doll method, and the other way the captains have all learned it.
    All that adds up to is the SAME Bankai. Different methods, but it doesn't change the fact that the Zanpakutou will still change to its final release.

    Because Ichigo's Bankai doesnt increase his power at all, it only buff's his speed, and all the other Captains Bankai's give them a power buff, except maybe Tousen.
    We've only seen 3 of the 12 Bankais, so saying that "all other captains" have power buffs is incorrect.

    Tousen - Kidou (sorta)
    Hitsugaya - Combination of Kidou and self-powering
    Komamura - A Giant...?

    And about Bankai meaning final release. Thats taking the Soul Slayer's power and using it in your own way. Its not your Soul Slayer working with you. I think Senkai is bringing forward the true form of a Soul Slayer to fight alongside you. Not like Bankai with the lending-power characteristic. So maybe Zangetsu would pop out, or maybe Hollow Ichigo, and they'd both be able to wreak havoc.
    That really made no sense.

    Ban = Final, that's all there is to it. Senkai is just a variation to use the sword's techniques. The Zanpakutou's soul won't come out and just kill things with you. That would be too risky anyway, since if your zanpakutou's spirit dies, your sword becomes crap.

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    Actually the only bankai we know of that used Urahara's method (we have no clue what Urahara's bankai is) is completely different from the other bankai that soul society have encountered which uses the traditional method.

    According to the conversation between Byakuya and Ichigo, Ichigo's bankai is the only one he's ever seen thats not some massive weapon or weapons. Its actually a buff. I'd think Byakuya would know a lot about the different bankais throughout history and probably know all of them that has been record by soul society considering his noblity and probably a large emphasis on education.

    So, so far we can say.

    1.At this point every bankai we've seen that used Urahara's method is a buff.

    2.All the ones Byakuya have known about are larges weapons.

    3.Byakuya probably knows a lot about the different bankais in soul society history.

    We can conclude that Ichigo's buff bankai, one of the only ones recorded in soul society history, also is the only bankai we've seen thats achieved by Urahara methods.

    Its very possible for the bankai to really have two releases. One as a buff and the other as a huge weapon/item. Also allows Kubo to give the captains one more upgrade which they drasticly need to fight the arancar and the visored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badnewsbrown
    Actually the only bankai we know of that used Urahara's method (we have no clue what Urahara's bankai is) is completely different from the other bankai that soul society have encountered which uses the traditional method.

    According to the conversation between Byakuya and Ichigo, Ichigo's bankai is the only one he's ever seen thats not some massive weapon or weapons. Its actually a buff. I'd think Byakuya would know a lot about the different bankais throughout history and probably know all of them that has been record by soul society considering his noblity and probably a large emphasis on education.

    So, so far we can say.

    1.At this point every bankai we've seen that used Urahara's method is a buff.

    2.All the ones Byakuya have known about are larges weapons.

    3.Byakuya probably knows a lot about the different bankais in soul society history.

    We can conclude that Ichigo's buff bankai, one of the only ones recorded in soul society history, also is the only bankai we've seen thats achieved by Urahara methods.

    Its very possible for the bankai to really have two releases. One as a buff and the other as a huge weapon/item. Also allows Kubo to give the captains one more upgrade which they drasticly need to fight the arancar and the visored.
    Take into consideration that Byakuya also thought it was impossible for someone to attain a Bankai in such a short amount of time. He also said that Ichigo's Bankai is just a bluff, and that it wasn't a real Bankai.

    Also, with there being only ONE person who actually used Urahara's method (who has a current Bankai shown), it is not safe to assume #1 is correct. Bankai is the sword's final form and the Shinigami working together to create even more power.

    2) All the ones he has seen have coincidentally been smaller than Ichigo's. That doesn't mean that Ichigo's Bankai is the smallest, it just means that there has never been anything bigger than his. Also, at that time he was just stating it was a bluff zanpakutou.

    3) He knows only about those who he has seen, or read about. I doubt anyone in the current SS has seen Yamamoto's Bankai. I doubt Byakuya has seen Aizen's Bankai. Hell, even Ikkaku has a buff Bankai, and e didn't use Urahara's method. Hitsugaya's Bankai buffs himself into a dragon, and the sword that is attached to the ice arm is the same size as Ichigo's Tenza Zangetsu.

    Basically Bankai's come in ALL shapes and sizes. They are unique to the Zanpakutou's spirit and the wielder's spirit.

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    Default Ban Kai = Final release.

    So, Ban Kai is Final release.
    I think when Ichigo said he will release his bankai.... it didnt mean his real bankai, at least...to him at current moment he think that was his bankai.

    But, do you notice that even ichigo doesnt really know how far an ishigami can go... and how far the power he can reach. so, what does it mean when he say "ban kai" to him self if he doesnt know his limit???

    someday ichigo hollow will overcome ichigo....for what??
    when the day ichigo about to lose his life. the hollow will try to defend ichigo.... then when that day come... the hollow and ichigo will surely become one. they will Unite to accomplish same goal.
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    Bankai is bankai.
    You can only have one, there is, after you get one, only one
    Its just you can have special attacks, special forms, etc that go with bankai >_<
    The ideal of Ichigo having 2 bankai's period is incorrect...regardless if you include Hollow Ichigo or not

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    Wait.... @Divine... what's Isshin's Ban Kai. You said he has one...


    If ever there were to be a second release of the Ban Kai, or third overall, it'd have to be a direct manifestation be the soul your zanpakutou possesses. Sure, most of these spirits haven't been shown, but from what we can tell (which isn't much), they do have spirits. And I think that the spirits have a direct effect on what form your ban kai is... something like that.

    And... that whole 'Ichigo will unite with Wichigo to save their own asses' thing, I can't see that happening. No way in hell. The unification thing is somewhat of the general idea the Vizards were working with when they did the mask training for everyone (including themselves). Merging their powers with their alter-ego's to make themselves stronger. If Wichigo started cooperating, that'd just mean Ichigo has.... nothing, really. Maybe they should swap bodies like in YuGiOh and use different forms of Getsuga Tenshou, but judging from how no one will want to copy that series, I doubt it.
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    Can people just call him hollow ichigo and no Wichigo crap please. We've already decided on a name and wichigo sounds gay anyway. Hollow ichigo and Ichigo will never become fully cooperative if for no other reason than pride. With hollow ichigo's "death" speech theres no ways hes gonna accept mutual rulershpi with ichigo and ichigo's equally proud and fearful of what will happen if hollow ichigo gains control what chaos would happen specially to his family - he has no idea of isshin's capability yet. On isshin since he is at least captain level and wears part of a captains robe its entirely logical he has a bankai. They will never "swap" bodies and to them the other personality is a tool or flaw. Ichigo has to accept he has tremondous powers cause of the hollow inside of him who in turn has to accept that he's moreorless a parasite and needs ichigo's body till he gains full domination.

    You know personally i think when the hollow has full domination "it" will be closer to a perfect shinigami/hollow hybrid than any current arrancar aizen has under his control but thats just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride
    Wait.... @Divine... what's Isshin's Ban Kai. You said he has one...
    ._.;; Isshin has a Bankai due to him being at captain level, but it never showed what it was. Moreover, I never stated anything about Isshin's Bankai.


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