Thread: What if...

does anyone think a viazard could have an arrancar for a hollow or
an arrancar have viazard shinigami powers?

Arrancar= Hollow with shinigami powers
Type of Arrancar= power of transformaed hollow

Vizard= Shinigami with hollow powers
go from there.
As far as i can tell, a vizard is a vizard and an arrancar is an arrancar, they are opposite sides of the spectrum and can't really mix

That is the reason why The Vizards want Ichigo..however how did he get a Hollow inside of him to begin with

He had the Hollow inside of himself due to the training. When the chain of fate gets eaten, you become a Hollow. Ichigo just managed to make himself a Shinigami at the last moment.

Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina

I think generally, some shinigami's have a hollow inside of them, possibly to do with the fact that ichigo is still a human. Most other shinigami's are spirits from SS who were recruited due to large riatsu's.
Also might be something to do with how he became a shinigami whilst training with urahara.

Time and time again, Ichigo technically is not human, yes he occupies a human container but there is nothing that bounds him to the living world.


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I too thought that maybe ichigo's hollow was a vastorode since they are the only humanoid hollows and they too are strong. And Ichigo's hollow is just like that and it too can shoot ceros which we've seen menos do.
About shinigamis: all can gain hollow powers but there is nothing known that can remove the line that separates except the hougyokou. But removing that line is Forbidden in all of SS.

Shinigami and Vaizard seem to still be basically the same type of being, and the Vaizard are more chaotic neutral (maybe even chaotic good) than anything else. They are supressing their base instincts, their hollow spirits.

Hollows and Arrancar are essentially the same as well. They are all neutral evil or chaotic evil. The biggest question about these guys is whether they have a good side that they must supress like the Vaizard do.

The powers of Vaizard and Arrancar may be totally seperate, or they may overlap at some point. They can both use cero, which hints that they might overlap. I wouldn't be surprised if Vaizard can use zanpakuto armour unisons or an arrancar use a zanpakuto blade release, but we have no idea.

If Sonido, the arrancar Shunpyo equivalent, is a skill that Vaizard can also use we may have a way for Ichigo to achieve an even higher speed than before. Shunpyo and his Bankai can seemingly stack, so why not all 3 abilities if he was using his mask at the time?

Here's what I always thought...

A Vaizard is a Shinigami who beat down and absorbed his Hollow, hence the Vaizard is in control.

A Arrancar is a Shinigami who got tooken over by the Hollow, the Hollow is on control here. ((Theres some flaws in this. ))

The Hougyoko whatever it's called can create this entire process in some way or the other... Of course I like to use simple logic because theres room to work though, and of course its flawed, but thats generally how iv seen it.

Originally Posted by Yasu

Here's what I always thought...

A Vaizard is a Shinigami who beat down and absorbed his Hollow, hence the Vaizard is in control.

A Arrancar is a Shinigami who got tooken over by the Hollow, the Hollow is on control here. ((Theres some flaws in this. ))

The Hougyoko whatever it's called can create this entire process in some way or the other... Of course I like to use simple logic because theres room to work though, and of course its flawed, but thats generally how iv seen it.

You idea sounds interesting enough, and I like it better than the real one, but it's not the right one.

Basically, a human spirit can bend either way, towards a hollow or towards a Shinigami. When corrupted by evil, they become Hollows, when possesing innate power and trained correcterly, they become Shinigami. Since all Hollows seem to gain powers, they all stuff have that ability to become Shinigami, they are after all still human souls. And Shinigami always have the ability to become hollows, because they can be corrupted by evil.

At least, that's the way I've seen it so far, but it does seem that both sides have to jump through some extra hurdles to get to that point.

I think where my understanding is rough is the Arrancar explanation, Vaizard has mostly been explained in the manga and we'v seen the process first hand by Ichigo.

Although Arrancar don't seem like Vaizard, they all seem to have something that would suggest that they couldn't walk around and pass off as human, Grimjaw for example. (( I can't remember all the Arrancar that appeared, but they all looked unnatural I believe. )) We'v seen how they release there Soul Cutters and we'v yet to see a Vaizard release one so it could be the same or different.

In any case what point im trying to get to is how exactly are Arrancar created?

((Note: I call them Soul Cutters because Im not embarrassing myself by mispelling Zanpackto, but it can be freely corrected here. ))

Had Ichigo lost to his Hollow side, I think he'd have just been a strong hollow, rather than an Arrancar.

Here's what I'm interpreting from the story:
Vaizards are Shinigami who defeat and control their internal Hollow, thereby becomming a Shinigami with Hollow powers (essentially)
Arrancar are Hollows which have control over their intenral Shinigami, and so are Hollows with Shinigami powers.